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I am currently having a problem with my RHS Pmag. The same pmag failed twice in that position, both times after the engine had been run and shut down long enough to refuel. The 1st time occurred after about 233 hours of service. I removed it and had it rebuilt. It showed no signs of bearing or shaft wear as their current SB warns. Now after about 130 hrs since rebuild it again fails when the engine is "heat soaked" but not cold. Again, there is no sigh of shaft wear.

Anybody else experiencing short service life?

TX

Jerry
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I am currently having a problem with my RHS Pmag. The same pmag failed twice in that position, both times after the engine had been run and shut down long enough to refuel. The 1st time occurred after about 233 hours of service. I removed it and had it rebuilt. It showed no signs of bearing or shaft wear as their current SB warns. Now after about 130 hrs since rebuild it again fails when the engine is "heat soaked" but not cold. Again, there is no sigh of shaft wear.

Anybody else experiencing short service life?

TX

Jerry
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when you say "Failed" what do you mean? like if you do a runup after heat soaking, the mag check fails when running on that single mag? or it fails to keep the engine running at all? is the only thing that makes it work again a complete cooldown of the engine?
 
I am currently having a problem with my RHS Pmag. The same pmag failed twice in that position, both times after the engine had been run and shut down long enough to refuel. The 1st time occurred after about 233 hours of service. I removed it and had it rebuilt. It showed no signs of bearing or shaft wear as their current SB warns. Now after about 130 hrs since rebuild it again fails when the engine is "heat soaked" but not cold. Again, there is no sigh of shaft wear.

Anybody else experiencing short service life?

TX

Jerry
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There are years of posts about these failures. Have you checked for a yellow led when it fails like this? - it’s a range check failure. We’ve had this several times on our pMags. Fine cold, fails hot. Last time we sent it in, they couldn’t find anything, but they replaced the board. I think there have been issues with weak solder joints that show up when the pMag gets warm.

We are ditching the pMags for SDS CPI-2 when we have time to do the swap. We’ve probably had 5 or more failures in a little over 500 hours. Yes, the prop is balanced to 0.03 ips.
 
when you say "Failed" what do you mean? like if you do a runup after heat soaking, the mag check fails when running on that single mag? or it fails to keep the engine running at all? is the only thing that makes it work again a complete cooldown of the engine?
when i say failed the engine stopped running when selected to run on the rhs mag when the engine was hot. after cooldown of the engine it works normally.
 
I also have my RHS P-Mag on my RV10 failed at a little over 100 hours, the engine was totally dead when switched to the RHS mag. Did trouble shooting following based on the LED colors, couldn't find anything run, not shaft play either. Sent in, they told me the control board failed even though my SN in not on the list for the associated SB. Just got the repaired unit back after 4 months of waiting for parts. The engine runs fine now, but my confidence on the P-mag is low right now until I have enough trouble free hours.
 
when i say failed the engine stopped running when selected to run on the rhs mag when the engine was hot. after cooldown of the engine it works normally.
I had this failure on one of my PMAGs, unfortunately it was not repeatable but would happen only in the scenario you are describing. After multiple time of sending it to be checked out and since they could not repeat the problem or find any issues, they replaced it and never experience the issue again.
 
I am currently having a problem with my RHS Pmag. The same pmag failed twice in that position, both times after the engine had been run and shut down long enough to refuel. The 1st time occurred after about 233 hours of service. I removed it and had it rebuilt. It showed no signs of bearing or shaft wear as their current SB warns. Now after about 130 hrs since rebuild it again fails when the engine is "heat soaked" but not cold. Again, there is no sigh of shaft wear.

Anybody else experiencing short service life?

TX

Jerry
N925JL
Are you using a cooling blast tube and have it pointed correctly? Also did the temp decal turn black?
 
The problem here is a blast tube should not be required at all.

I do not fly planes with dual PMAGs for a reason. Lightspeeds also. I had a customer with 6C PMAG's, couldn't get one past about 15 hours roughly, 3 times. That Rocket now has 2 x Slicks and despite their poor QA in recent years they still are operating.

What is it with all these ignition suppliers, even the old school mags are starting to be poorly made. Rant over.

SDS seem to win the reliability race as far as I can see.
 
The problem here is a blast tube should not be required at all.
+1

If you are going to design something that goes in the engine compartment, then you need to design it to tolerate the heat of that environment. Just sloppy engineering IMO. The blast tube thing is just foolish nonsense. The highest temps seen for items under the cowl is just a few minutes after shut down and blast tubes do nothing to help then.
 
+1

If you are going to design something that goes in the engine compartment, then you need to design it to tolerate the heat of that environment. Just sloppy engineering IMO. The blast tube thing is just foolish nonsense. The highest temps seen for items under the cowl is just a few minutes after shut down and blast tubes do nothing to help then.

Alternators? Cylinders effectively require “blast tubes” in the sense of the cowl inlets and fins…and the oil cooler? Why design something that requires oil to cool it? Or air to cool the oil?

I think it’s totally reasonable to require blast tubes to cool electronics that have mechanical interfaces to 400+ deg components while generating high voltage sparks at 90 hz.

Many with PMAGs have used them without issue through TBO and beyond.
 
If you are going to design something that goes in the engine compartment, then you need to design it to tolerate the heat of that environment. Just sloppy engineering IMO. The blast tube thing is just foolish nonsense.
I think the main driver is cost. High temperature PCBs and components cost a lot more. The blast tube is very inexpensive, and apparently pretty effective.

I think we need to do a "VAF gofundme" to get a pmag and have someone like @DanH analyze it in detail to understand the failure modes, and how they could be avoided. It's interesting that there is such a wide range of experience with these devices. Why is that? Manufacturing inconsistencies? Installation differences? Short term environmental differences?

Just as aircraft are all the result of a series of compromises, so are ignitions - they all have their advantages and disadvantages.
 
I think it’s totally reasonable to require blast tubes to cool electronics that have mechanical interfaces to 400+ deg components while generating high voltage sparks at 90 hz.
agree. unlike the battery which sees high current only during startup and briefly after the mags are working hard for the duration of the flight. additional airflow may be beneficial for electrical and mechanical components durability. the oil cooling can only go so far (oil itself can be in the 200 degree range on hot days)
 
This sounds like an out of limit bit check on start up. I assume all is well again when the engine cools? When you get this error put your phone into the cowling through oil door and see if you can see a flashing yellow light. The way it works is described in the manual. It will at some point be out of limits on its sensor while running but will not turn off until you shut it down after flight. If you turn it back on and it is still out of limits the pmag will not turn on signaling to you it needs service. Send it in for a refresh. That should solve your problem. I was stranded in Augusta one night for this same issue.
 
Alternators? Cylinders effectively require “blast tubes” in the sense of the cowl inlets and fins…and the oil cooler? Why design something that requires oil to cool it? Or air to cool the oil?

I think it’s totally reasonable to require blast tubes to cool electronics that have mechanical interfaces to 400+ deg components while generating high voltage sparks at 90 hz.

Many with PMAGs have used them without issue through TBO and beyond.
Er, No.

The airframe/engine combo has a de facto cooling air "budget" and the examples given are inherent to the engine requirements proper. This is gospel for any for any ICE, not just those coupled to airframes. It is a classic example of engineering balance and design trade-offs. Extractions can unbalance and ultimately exceed this budget. Components that cannot function unaided in the environmental boundary conditions are many (most?) times something that has been adopted from a different application, not just an attempt to keep fab costs down.

We fight this issue all of the time here at my job. A third party offers turbine blades/vanes/combuster cans/etc. with an advertised higher service life. While it is occasionally true, those instances are most always the result of those components exceeding their cooling air budget; thus, other parts don't make service life as their metallurgy saving cooling flow has been diminished . In one case, the turbine couldn't make emissions compliance.

It's complicated and ancillary extractions are sometimes hard to avoid but your rationale for such based non-auxiliary cooling isn't valid here IMHO.
 
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Alternators? Cylinders effectively require “blast tubes” in the sense of the cowl inlets and fins…and the oil cooler? Why design something that requires oil to cool it? Or air to cool the oil?

I think it’s totally reasonable to require blast tubes to cool electronics that have mechanical interfaces to 400+ deg components while generating high voltage sparks at 90 hz.

Many with PMAGs have used them without issue through TBO and beyond.
ok, lets say it is ok to require blast tubes to cool it. how are they dealing with the intense heat that is seen at shut down, when there is no air flow. The alternator and all the other parts you mention are also subgect to that heat and tolerate it just fine, thanks to proper design of their components. IMO, you MUST design in tolerance for that kind of heat, as that is the environment in which it is designed to operate. Have seen several posts here by Dan and others showing that under cowl air temps are relatively moderate while moving and then spike after shut down. Anything you put under the cowl has to be able to deal with that without the assistance of moving air. Otherwise they need to specify aux fans to provide the air.

Further, requiring blast air for proper functionality leaves you at serious risk of failure if a blast tube becomes blocked. Would you really accept an ignition that stopped working if you injested a small piece of trash in a blast tube?

Don't understand the 400* reference. What leads you to believe the accy case is 400* during operation?
 
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ok, lets say it is ok to require blast tubes to cool it. how are they dealing with the intense heat that is seen at shut down, when there is no air flow. The alternator and all the other parts you mention are also subgect to that heat and tolerate it just fine, thanks to proper design of their components. IMO, you MUST design in tolerance for that kind of heat, as that is the environment in which it is designed to operate. Have seen several posts here by Dan and others showing that under cowl air temps are relatively moderate while moving and then spike after shut down. Anything you put under the cowl has to be able to deal with that without the assistance of moving air. Otherwise they need to specify aux fans to provide the air.

I don't know how the PMAGs are designed internally. What I do know is that electronics can't operate at just any temperature, and often have heatsinks and fans for normal operation (think CPUs GPUs). We know how important cooling is for our engines...there are countless threads on proper baffling and sealing of all gaps. Saying that a component under the cowl shouldn't require certain cooling just sounds silly as everything under the cowl requires some amount of sufficient cooling. Yes after shutdown the lack of airflow causes the ambient temp under the cowl to rise, but at this point the ignitions are not powered, or doing anything, which may be fine.

Further, requiring blast air for proper functionality leaves you at serious risk of failure if a blast tube becomes blocked. Would you really accept an ignition that stopped working if you injested a small piece of trash in a blast tube?
Yes, our aircraft are at serious risk if any of our cooling gets blocked...oil cooler blocked -> engine overheats; cowl inlets blocked -> bad, intake filter blocked -> good thing the design has an alternate air source. Just because a cooling source could get blocked doesn't meant it shouldn't have one to begin with.

Don't understand the 400* reference. What leads you to believe the accy case is 400* during operation?
CHTs can easily climb to above 400 in normal operation, conductive heat + mechanical friction + electrical loads will cause high temps at the ignitions, not necessarily 400deg at the accessory case, but not cool to the touch. My statement is just that our engines are hot, and components connected to it will also be hot.

It sounds like OPs issue is heat related, but a blanket statement of "the ignition shouldn't require blast tubes to operate" doesn't really help solve his issue
 
ok, lets say it is ok to require blast tubes to cool it. how are they dealing with the intense heat that is seen at shut down, when there is no air flow. The alternator and all the other parts you mention are also subgect to that heat and tolerate it just fine, thanks to proper design of their components. IMO, you MUST design in tolerance for that kind of heat, as that is the environment in which it is designed to operate. Have seen several posts here by Dan and others showing that under cowl air temps are relatively moderate while moving and then spike after shut down. Anything you put under the cowl has to be able to deal with that without the assistance of moving air. Otherwise they need to specify aux fans to provide the air.
As I already posted, here is my six year old, 700 hour pMag with temp strip showing the highest temperature ever achieved was 190 degrees. A reasonable margin to the 200 degrees pMag lists as acceptable. The temp strip (like most) only records the highest temp.

Over the six years the plane flew frequently in the southeast in summer. So, I would assume this covers the “after shutdown intense heat” issue.

Side note, both pMag heat strips read the same.

Carl
 

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fair points; i will back off. when you see symptoms like posted earlier in this thread, you have to question the heat tolerance of the components used. one has to wonder how close they cut the margins. if the components are rated for 200* and these units consistently see 190, one has to wonder how small mfg variances can allow a percentage of units to fail. my exeperience is that you want a decent buffer from elec component temp limits.
 
+1

If you are going to design something that goes in the engine compartment, then you need to design it to tolerate the heat of that environment. Just sloppy engineering IMO. The blast tube thing is just foolish nonsense. The highest temps seen for items under the cowl is just a few minutes after shut down and blast tubes do nothing to help then.
Or design it so the sensitive electronics aren't in the engine compartment. Yeah then it is more boxes to install. Pick your poison as they say.
 
There is plenty of evidence that pMags do not provide long term reliability for some users. Just because someone has had good service does not mean that those of us that haven’t had reliable service have a faulty installation or are operating the pMags incorrectly. There are posts going back years from people who have had issues. If you haven’t - good on you, but please don’t imply (directly or indirectly) that the rest of us don’t know what we are doing.

At $2400 per unit and $900 for an overhaul, pMags aren’t a slam dunk replacement for a magneto any longer (if they ever were).
 
If one considers the numerous variables involved in operating these units, it becomes clear that both we and the manufacturer each have important roles to play.

Consider the tolerance window associated with the following:
  • Component manufacturing
  • PCB assembly
  • Unit assembly
  • Testing processes
All of these steps are performed by professionals skilled in their respective fields, and we should assume they are applying the best analytical and statistical practices available.

On the user side, however, we have additional variables:
  • Installation quality and variance, timing...
  • Proper wiring practices, connectors, grounding
  • Cooling strategy, placement, and airflow management
  • Monitoring practices (such as temperature strips)
  • Operational management — for example, whether the oil door is opened soon after flight
This illustrates how the user side often carries greater vulnerability to mishaps due to operational and installation-related factors.

In systems design and reliability engineering, there is a concept often referred to as tolerance stack-up or cumulative tolerance analysis, where the variability of every component and process step is combined to estimate overall system reliability.

Having worked in this field for years, the end-user installation and operational environment often becomes the largest source of variability in overall system reliability. EI systems should be treated more like avionics or electronic control systems than “install and forget” mechanical components. Many of us are aware of the common failure mechanisms and incorporate protective features into our systems accordingly. Others are still learning these lessons through experience.
 
Can someone explain what RHS is in this context? Is this a brand distinct from SDS?
 
Automotive industry standards for on-engine electronics have been higher than p-mag maximum values for a few decades. See AEC Q100 and 200. On-engine electronics are Grade O, with engine compartment minimum being Grade 1. And there are no blast tubes.

Test standard: ScreenHunter_3259 May. 13 14.39.jpg Cycling: ScreenHunter_3260 May. 13 14.40.jpg
 
If one considers the numerous variables involved in operating these units, it becomes clear that both we and the manufacturer each have important roles to play.

Consider the tolerance window associated with the following:
  • Component manufacturing
  • PCB assembly
  • Unit assembly
  • Testing processes
All of these steps are performed by professionals skilled in their respective fields, and we should assume they are applying the best analytical and statistical practices available.

On the user side, however, we have additional variables:
  • Installation quality and variance, timing...
  • Proper wiring practices, connectors, grounding
  • Cooling strategy, placement, and airflow management
  • Monitoring practices (such as temperature strips)
  • Operational management — for example, whether the oil door is opened soon after flight
This illustrates how the user side often carries greater vulnerability to mishaps due to operational and installation-related factors.

In systems design and reliability engineering, there is a concept often referred to as tolerance stack-up or cumulative tolerance analysis, where the variability of every component and process step is combined to estimate overall system reliability.

Having worked in this field for years, the end-user installation and operational environment often becomes the largest source of variability in overall system reliability. EI systems should be treated more like avionics or electronic control systems than “install and forget” mechanical components. Many of us are aware of the common failure mechanisms and incorporate protective features into our systems accordingly. Others are still learning these lessons through experience.
If you look at the products change history over the course of time, i would argue that the very best professional engineering and practices were not applied here. Heat sensitivity, TDC point resetting itself, premature shaft bearing wear, improper connectors that allow wires to com loose, etc. while i like the product concept, i have always felt that this was designed in someone’s garage vs a professional engineering environment. I am far from a professional engineer and the shaft bearings in my home grown mag replacement are now at 1500 hours with no play. Its just not that hard to do it right.
 
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It has an alternator. alternators usually have fans to keep them cool, is the blast tube for the electronic ignition? or for the lil baby alternator?
 
On-engine electronics are Grade O, with engine compartment minimum being Grade 1. And there are no blast tubes.
well the airflow under the car hood is designed to keep temperatures within the operating limits for the OEM installed electronics. After market additions may or may not work with the original airflow. folks blaming the pmag engineers for the poor job may not fully appreciate that every design is a compromise. If you feel something could be done better - try to build your own EI cheaper and more durable, and capture the lucrative experimental aviation market 🤷‍♂️
 
I've been flying a cheaper and more durable system about ten years. Core component is OEM Ford Motorcraft..see Grades 0 and 1 above.
Same here. I built a mega squirt based system and made my own mag hole device for crank sensing (electronics rated for 125 C). A fraction of the cost and far more reliable. It doesn’t fail due to heat , its bearings don’t wear out and it doesn’t magically reset its tdc reference. Been in service 10 years and 1500 hours . I would have possibly considered a pmag, but read far too many posts here about its faults to trust it.

I firmly believe that a cheap 5AH battery is equally as effective as self generating power. If you already have two alternators (for IFR safety) and two batteries, why do you need a third inside your ignition. Overkill IMO. Dedicated BU battery is dead reliable with no added complexity. Oh, and it still works at 700 rpm.
 
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It has an alternator. alternators usually have fans to keep them cool, is the blast tube for the electronic ignition? or for the lil baby alternator?
I doubt it has an alternator. More likely a generator. If it had an alternator, it likely wouldn’t drop out at 800 rpm. Most old school generators did not have fans, as there were no electronics to keep cool. Though they do produce heat. Possibly that is why they need the blast air.
 
I doubt it has an alternator. More likely a generator. If it had an alternator, it likely wouldn’t drop out at 800 rpm. Most old school generators did not have fans, as there were no electronics to keep cool. Though they do produce heat. Possibly that is why they need the blast air.
From the Emag description-

  • This P model ignition has an internal three phase brushless alternator that produce enough power to sustain the ignition when the engine is turning 800 rpm, or more. If the aircraft buss voltage goes off-line, the ignition has an internal alternator. With this arrangement, dual electronic ignitions can be run "clean". No back-up batteries and no back-up magnetos.
I had a phase failure on one pMag and the other had excessive bearing play. Both had less than 150 hours. This was the first of multiple problems.
 
It has an alternator. alternators usually have fans to keep them cool, is the blast tube for the electronic ignition? or for the lil baby alternator?
I doubt it has an alternator. More likely a generator. If it had an alternator, it likely wouldn’t drop out at 800 rpm. Most old school generators did not have fans, as there were no electronics to keep cool. Though they do produce heat. Possibly that is why they need the blast air.
SWAG = it's primarily for the electronics. The unit only produces power a very small fraction of the time; only in an over-all upset condition/loss of unit input power.

I watch people defend this product who've had good experiences. Good for them. There's obviously a lot of negative experiences.

Overall, the concept is kind of great. The design execution could obviously be better. Throw that on top of quality control issues and it looks like a recipe for lawsuits from a future widow(er) or more.

A start-up company was bought by a larger company with more resources. In theory, this would have been good. The related quality issues seem to be increasing. The way things are going, the only real future value could be in the patent(s).
 
From the Emag description-

  • This P model ignition has an internal three phase brushless alternator that produce enough power to sustain the ignition when the engine is turning 800 rpm, or more. If the aircraft buss voltage goes off-line, the ignition has an internal alternator. With this arrangement, dual electronic ignitions can be run "clean". No back-up batteries and no back-up magnetos.
I had a phase failure on one pMag and the other had excessive bearing play. Both had less than 150 hours. This was the first of multiple problems.
thanks for clarifying. would have thought a generator would be easier to pack in their. maybe the VR for a generator would shed too much heat.
 
If one considers the numerous variables involved in operating these units, it becomes clear that both we and the manufacturer each have important roles to play.

Consider the tolerance window associated with the following:
  • Component manufacturing
  • PCB assembly
  • Unit assembly
  • Testing processes
All of these steps are performed by professionals skilled in their respective fields, and we should assume they are applying the best analytical and statistical practices available.

On the user side, however, we have additional variables:
  • Installation quality and variance, timing...
  • Proper wiring practices, connectors, grounding
  • Cooling strategy, placement, and airflow management
  • Monitoring practices (such as temperature strips)
  • Operational management — for example, whether the oil door is opened soon after flight
This illustrates how the user side often carries greater vulnerability to mishaps due to operational and installation-related factors.

In systems design and reliability engineering, there is a concept often referred to as tolerance stack-up or cumulative tolerance analysis, where the variability of every component and process step is combined to estimate overall system reliability.

Having worked in this field for years, the end-user installation and operational environment often becomes the largest source of variability in overall system reliability. EI systems should be treated more like avionics or electronic control systems than “install and forget” mechanical components. Many of us are aware of the common failure mechanisms and incorporate protective features into our systems accordingly. Others are still learning these lessons through experience.
I agree with the above but you're missing something out. Part of designing a good product involves consideration to how it will be used. Whilst you can't account for people doing completely dumb stuff, ignoring documentation/instructions, you also can't make the thing too fiddly and finnicky to use.

A Pmag is meant to be a drop in replacement for a magneto - hook up a power supply and away you go, that is how it appears to be advertised. However, if it was a true drop in replacement then it wouldn't be failing so much. If it needs special cooling, connector requirements, opening the oil door after flight etc... well then it's not a drop in replacement, is it? It's a replacement that comes with a host of other slightly random maintenance and operational requirements which defeats the whole point in my opinion. Also I'm not sure how installation error can account for the bearing failures.
 
A Pmag is meant to be a drop in replacement for a magneto
I think it was meant to be a drop in alternative, not necessarily a replacement. I seem to recall the cooling recommendations were always there (might be wrong) and I'm sure the wiring requirements were clear. The bearing failures came later. No idea if whatever the upgrades are doing will resolve the bearing issues.

Speaking of upgrades, the repair price went up a lot - now $900 or $1400 😲


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I think it was meant to be a drop in alternative, not necessarily a replacement. I seem to recall the cooling recommendations were always there (might be wrong) and I'm sure the wiring requirements were clear. The bearing failures came later. No idea if whatever the upgrades are doing will resolve the bearing issues.

Speaking of upgrades, the repair price went up a lot - now $900 or $1400 😲


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Surefly/Lycoming EIS and SDS CPI-2 are looking better all the time. What’s the repair look like for these units? Replace a very reliable $30 battery occasionally? Have there been many issues with the Surefly so far? I think CPI-2 has been pretty reliable like most SDS systems.
 
I’m trying to switch my new thunderbolt io-390 from pmags to standard slick mags. Since Hartzell bought Brad out I don’t see anything good coming out of this. Plus I have had a failure on one of my pmags on my rv-14a I sold that had less than 150 hrs. Can’t put much trust on these things Id you go on long cross country flights in my opinion.
 
I’m trying to switch my new thunderbolt io-390 from pmags to standard slick mags. Since Hartzell bought Brad out I don’t see anything good coming out of this. Plus I have had a failure on one of my pmags on my rv-14a I sold that had less than 150 hrs. Can’t put much trust on these things Id you go on long cross country flights in my opinion.
My 250 hour P-Mag is at the Hartzell MRO being overhauled due to shaft wiggle as I write. The one good thing is, after the overhaul, the newly designed bearing stack only necessitates a 500 hour inspection instead of a 100 hour check. Not sure if that upgrade came from Hartzell or the old company but I like it.

PS: the new rebuild cost is $899 but includes the newly designed bearing stack and an all new circuit board.
 
$4670 for a pair of ignitions, plus $899 each at 500, 1000, and 1500 hours comes to $10,064...plus shipping.

Meanwhile you'll be able to drive you car 100,000 miles without touching any part of the ignition system.

I'm just sayin'
 
$4670 for a pair of ignitions, plus $899 each at 500, 1000, and 1500 hours comes to $10,064...plus shipping.

Meanwhile you'll be able to drive you car 100,000 miles without touching any part of the ignition system.

I'm just sayin'
No, not a $899 overhaul at 500 hours, just a wiggle check you can do.
 
It's beyond me why there are bearing issues. Under 3000 rpm application.
I have a Slick apart - bearing is NTN 6203c3. Various suppliers at under $20 each.
Educate me!
 
As an early adopter of the Pmag and a big fan of the concept I have watched the design responses to the various failure modes. I was there for the “lose magnet” SB and indeed suffered that failure and “fix”. Plenty of firmware updates and board replacements to solve the kickback and lost timing issues too. I was a fan until something better (SDS) came along and I could not be happier. No personal failures and no failures I’m aware of out in the field. The SDS stuff just works like a car. Essentially zero maintenance. But back to the newest iteration of the Pmag saga - the bearing failures and the “fix”.

Has Pmag identified the source of the bearing failures -the root cause- and the latest bearing stack is a response to that analysis? Or is this just a TLAR response to a guess?
 
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