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KOSH PIREP…Smoke?

I saw Cirrus on FR24 today that blasted into the conga line by basically diving down from high altitude right over the line outside of Fisk and he blew right thru the 2300 pattern and into the 1800 pattern and cut in front of dozens of other airplanes following the procedure. He came in from the south and completely ignored the procedure. It was a miracle he didn’t descend on top of someone.

I was so sad when they cleared him past Fisk. He got a free pass to the front.
 
I saw Cirrus on FR24 today that blasted into the conga line…
A Cirrus driver… are we surprised? But, stupid pilot tricks are spread across the GA fleet. I watched a Piper Aerostar fly the warbird arrival yesterday; this is neither a warbird nor a turbine, yet this dude decided to do what he wants. Selfish.

Then there’s the Beech Baron 55 aviator that flew the arrival at 1800 feet and 90 knots… I wanna buy that guy a beer!!
 
ok, did Paul's checkin turn into the official arrival rant?
I did this poker run for well over a decade each year, albeit with two pilots onboard, using every card in the deck.
I had to punch out for a few years, but what changed?

See ya tomorrow on the field.
 
We got in yesterday afternoon around 13:45 CDT IFR. A couple of hours out the field went VFR but we stayed IFR. I hate the VFR arrival with a passion for all of the issues mentioned above and as a result we’ve flown in IFR the past 8 years as it’s simpler and safer. This was our 12th year flying in altogether and it maybe our last as the allure of flying in has lost a lot of its luster.

Anyway, the west wind has really done a good job blowing the smoke out. On the ground it’s not noticeable at all, except for maybe a slight haze.

A Cirrus driver… are we surprised? But, stupid pilot tricks are spread across the GA fleet. I watched a Piper Aerostar fly the warbird arrival yesterday; this is neither a warbird nor a turbine, yet this dude decided to do what he wants. Selfish.

Then there’s the Beech Baron 55 aviator that flew the arrival at 1800 feet and 90 knots… I wanna buy that guy a beer!!
Unfortunately there are idiots that figure the rules are for others in all walks of life including those in this one.
 
Been there, done that, in the 2018 fur ball on Sunday afternoon. Exactly as Paul describes. Didn't dare turn right, turn left, or go up or down, because I was completely enclosed by other aircraft in all directions. My recollection is that based on the 2018 mayhem, a blue ribbon commission (or some such entity) was formed to study the situation and come up with a plan. IIRC, the Fond du Lac diversion was established, to handle overload conditions. Then, some time later that gave way to the Endeavor Bridge transition. Effectively moving the fur ball out to Endeavor. Not sure what the solution is, but it might be similar to lawn watering. If your N number ends in even number, plan to arrive on even dates, starting on Friday. If N-number ends in odd number, then plan to arrive on odd dates. Either the inflow rate has to be throttled back (such as N-number selection), or the outflow on the runway needs to be increased (in the form of ATC using all the dots on the runway, like they used to do).

Was at show center, yellow dot, Rwy 36 all day today, and the landing instructions never deviated from "land on the yellow dot". Even at mid-day with VFR conditions under very good visibility conditions. Question: has ATC been inclined to avoid the NOTAM described "multi-dot" for assignment of landing slots, that provides for "high outflow" of aircraft from the system, so that high inflow at Endeavor can be accommodated? lr172 describes it well in post #92.
 
Just before 8am...Calm and cool. Horizontal vis probably less than a mile, but vertical is blue sky.
 
I imagine this has to be a nightmare scenario for EAA and the FAA. It's very unusual around here this time of year to get sustained periods of IFR. We might get a line of storms that blows through or some morning low clouds, but usually these clear up in a couple hours. To have the Fisk approach shut down for this long, particularly when the weather is good everywhere else and people can get generally close, is going really create havoc when it finally opens.
 
I imagine this has to be a nightmare scenario for EAA and the FAA. It's very unusual around here this time of year to get sustained periods of IFR. We might get a line of storms that blows through or some morning low clouds, but usually these clear up in a couple hours. To have the Fisk approach shut down for this long, particularly when the weather is good everywhere else and people can get generally close, is going really create havoc when it finally opens.
Untill this morning, I was really sad that I was not heading to Osh today. Now, not so much. Looks like things don't improve to vfr till afternoon and even then only 3-4 mi vis, so they will probably want 2 mi spacing. I can only imagine how bad this will be if it unfolds that way. I remember a few years back when no one could get in on Sat; crazyiness sunday morning. Take Pauls article to heart and bail out if bad. Please be safe out there.

Was hoping to make a day trip on Monday, but looks like afternoon storms are a strong possibility.
 
I saw Cirrus on FR24 today that blasted into the conga line by basically diving down from high altitude right over the line outside of Fisk and he blew right thru the 2300 pattern and into the 1800 pattern and cut in front of dozens of other airplanes following the procedure. He came in from the south and completely ignored the procedure. It was a miracle he didn’t descend on top of someone.

I was so sad when they cleared him past Fisk. He got a free pass to the front.
A cirrus pilot?? I'm shocked!

/s
 
A few people getting pop up ifrs
That’s very interesting since all of the Osh area airports are currently under STMP and require a reserved IFR arrival slot per the NOTAM. Curious as to ATC’s thinking on this if they are in fact giving pop-up’s into Osh.
 
I bailed to C47 Portage after Ripon tracks were covered in mass shenanigans, all the Paul Dye wrote about.

Watching 0-0 minute 101 FIFA. They have rules and a ref, though he biffed the red card. Endeavor short track racing circle, not so much.

2300 foot was closed, 2 mile spacing, 4 mile flight vis east, 3 mile west.

Sure are a lot of VVIPs up there. Thank goodness Apch has enough watts the karens can't heterodyne over ATC.

Tried again, entry was 45 west of Endeavor and folks slowed too much.

Or S turned, at 65 knots, or passed instead.

The ones that pass on the right and try and cut in before the slow semi.

Folks making laps from north of line and folks entering at Endeavor and west, to 2 mile spacing, to one runway more than two when no one inside Puckaway or Green or Ripon is at 90 just is poor human factors.

Gotta fill the new South 40 section I guess...
 
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I went once, when my RV4 was a couple of years old in 1991. That experience reminded me why I don't do herds. Since I was an early builder I spent all day guarding my plane from people that just have to touch to see if it's real. I much preferred the fly-in at Arlington Washington with cool scenery, cool weather and more disciplined spectators. Perhaps Ft. Lewis and and McChord Air Base aviators may have had an affect.
 
The EAA and FAA will have to decide on how to handle self-centered pilots flying into Oshkosh, and they better do it quick!
I really don’t see an option other than FAA enforcement actions, which will probably subject all of us to increased surveillance on the arrival.

Regulate yourself lest you be regulated…

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Three points:
1) Please continue the thread about the SMOKE CONDITIONS. We are still trying to get our experimental aircraft in and PIREPs are greatly appreciated for air and site.
2) The EAA was for experimental aircraft. This event is now for anything that can get off the ground, what did you expect to happen? How about an event for experimental aircraft?
3) Procedures have saturation limits. After 43+ years of managing workflow and procedure in construction including use of Agile and Lean construction techniques, flow of aircraft is not much different than road traffic, manpower flow, moving dirt, managing stages of software development, or concrete and fixtures up a high rise for install. We obviously allow flow saturation, no stated throughput timing goals or limits, all options are through one choke point, very few gates to adjust flow; could go on and on in frustration. Like road work, more single lane miles, more probability of backup. Why don't we start Fisk approach in Omaha? Or we could look at this from a different larger perspective to influence positive change. I will refrain form blaming those dam Cirrus pilots - for now.

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That’s very interesting since all of the Osh area airports are currently under STMP and require a reserved IFR arrival slot per the NOTAM. Curious as to ATC’s thinking on this if they are in fact giving pop-up’s into Osh.
Cause it is ifr when nobody was expecting it. Vfr arrivals planned.

If they are in fact? I in fact spoke to someone that arrived today in this manner
 
Cause it is ifr when nobody was expecting it. Vfr arrivals planned.

If they are in fact? I in fact spoke to someone that arrived today in this manner
Hmmm, I’d love to hear ATCs side of this. But as someone who’s flown in 12 years straight and the last 8 years IFR including this year, I’ll take what you say at face value.
 
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I've been to OSH 5 times and I never understood why everyone needs to jam in there 2 or 3 days before the show starts??
I can see the reason for GA aircraft but Experimentals will get a parking spot anytime.
I flew in 4 times on Mondays and once on Tuesday. Mondays can still be a bit hectic but first thing Tuesday morning is a non event.
I also notice that all of the private and RV events (except Vans dinner) are held Saturday or Sunday before the show opens, why??
By Wednesday many of the experimental leave, doesn't anybody like the show?
Whatever your reasons for visiting OSH, its certainly up to you. I am going because of the vendors and exhibitors who might showcase the latest and greatest
in new airplane designs as well as engine developments and avionics etc....
Avoid the mayhem and plan a Monday or Tuesday arrival.
 
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