G4X: Connecting the Dots (AXIS integrated Flight Display)

[egdeltur]

You could still buy Z80's until last year. The Z80 was first manufactured in 1976. It was in continuous manufacturing for about half a century. Third-party drop-in clones are still available.

The 430/530 used a Samsung RISC CPU that's no longer made.

But most of Garmin's modern gear uses ARM Cortex family processors, which have been around since the 1990s and are still manufactured in large volumes today. ARM CPUs are in Raspberry Pis, a lot of embedded systems, most Android phones, and they form the base architecture for Apple Silicon processors. There's probably one in your coffee machine. Your car probably has 100 of them embedded in epoxy blobs, sensors, electric window controllers, the ECU, and gawd only knows what else.

(I haven't pulled apart my G3X Touch to try to identify the CPU type

TL;DR: 10 year old CPUs for embedded applications are completely normal across the industry.

- mark

Fair points! The compute is OMAP 4460: https://vansairforce.net/threads/g4x-connecting-the-dots.241376/post-1921942

You're that embedded has a longer lifespan but ARM spreads the gamut from true embedded like IOT to Apple SoCs and the world changes (and EoLs) faster with coprocessors including graphics.

The g3x is more cell phone and other 4460 apps are mobile devices that are all EoL. TI ended OMAP dev work so costs and dev complexity increase significantly.

 

[egdeltur]

Agree 100%. Saving 20% on modern processors means nothing compared to the cost to redesign and recode integrated systems, not to mention the cost of abandoning customers and forcing upgrades. Some industries, like smart phones have a market desiring that, but far from common.

Possibly true pre-COVID but value of code is going to 0 and these chipsets are no longer produced.

 

[BurnieM]

Possibly true pre-COVID but value of code is going to 0 and these chipsets are no longer produced.

Disagree.

Ask any search engine AI about a G3X Touch function, any function.
You will get a very nice response that is 80% correct. Try performing that function while flying.
Take spare underpants.

AI will one day be very useful but is not currently a mature product.
It is particularly weak in technical areas.
The old arguments about believing the marketing hype apply to everything.
Trust but verify.

 

[rcarsey]

Here's the Garmin video detailing everything about the new AXIS system: AXIS Features and Modules

 

[egdeltur]

Disagree.

Ask any search engine AI about a G3X Touch function, any function.
You will get a very nice response that is 80% correct. Try performing that function while flying.
Take spare underpants.

AI will one day be very useful but is not currently a mature product.
It is particularly weak in technical areas.
The old arguments about believing the marketing hype apply to everything.
Trust but verify.

True AI may not know all the G3X functions.

That wasn't quite my point though. The cost of building new software is dramatically decreasing with coding agents: https://metr.org/blog/2025-03-19-measuring-ai-ability-to-complete-long-tasks/ In parallel chipset are turning over faster so the economics of Garmin maintaining and extending G3X firmware on a dead platform gets more expensive relative to building on current hardware.

 

[tom paul]

the tension is building...9 days out from the big reveal. I have put my project on pause until i learn what (and when!) the new thing is. I was planning to buy the accessories, assuming they would stay the same, but Garmin is using the word "integrated" so some peripheral modules have been optionally included in the display. In the meantime, I am distracting myself by facing the reality that my Titan engine with Nickle cylinders has run well for nearly 1,200 hours, but now is using a ton of oil, and the crosshatching is largely gone so I will likely do a top OH while I wait for the Avionics drama to sort out.

 

[inktomi]

As an RV-8 builder, I am more than willing to upgrade to an integrated screen - particularly if I can no longer need to find a spot for the remote audio panel I've been trying to fit in. That integration would save a lot of space behind the panel.

 

[Brantel]

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would bet that Garmin is gonna basically recreate or repurpose the G900X as a replacement for the Experimental G3X Touch product line. If they do, expect the cost to be many multiples of the current system and with much less flexibility than the current scalable modular design. Not to mention that it will likely result in cannibalization of there certified product lines which has been a big no no for the experimental group in the past. It would also result in orphaned equipment and require significant modifications to existing panels and wiring harnesses. The G900X was basically hand crafted for the very high end of the experimental market and then the intro of the G3X Touch and its modular and scalable design pretty much killed that product line and resulted in incredible growth in the experimental market for Garmin. Why would Garmin reverse directions?

 

[Jonnyb]

I just hope for an upgraded G3X. Better screen, better processors, etc.

 

[Utah-Jay]

I just hope for an upgraded G3X. Better screen, better processors, etc.

I think you will be good to go

 

[Brantel]

I just hope for an upgraded G3X. Better screen, better processors, etc.

Those are definitely reasonable expectations with a high likelihood of becoming a reality.

 

[mstrauss]

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would bet that Garmin is gonna basically recreate or repurpose the G900X as a replacement for the Experimental G3X Touch product line. If they do, expect the cost to be many multiples of the current system and with much less flexibility than the current scalable modular design. Not to mention that it will likely result in cannibalization of there certified product lines which has been a big no no for the experimental group in the past. It would also result in orphaned equipment and require significant modifications to existing panels and wiring harnesses. The G900X was basically hand crafted for the very high end of the experimental market and then the intro of the G3X Touch and its modular and scalable design pretty much killed that product line and resulted in incredible growth in the experimental market for Garmin. Why would Garmin reverse directions?

In theory shouldn’t an integrated solution be cheaper than an à la cart? An integrated solution will also provide greater automation, and reduced panel space. Not sure why the G900X was so expensive, maybe to not piss off the G1000 customers. I hope that a “G4X” with integrated navigator and transponder, would be no more expensive than a G3X, GTX345, and GNT650xi. I also don’t understand how an integrated solution would be less flexible in the ways the EAB world needs. Lastly, you do know there is such a thing as a certified G3X?

 

[Brantel]

In theory shouldn’t an integrated solution be cheaper than an à la cart? An integrated solution will also provide greater automation, and reduced panel space. Not sure why the G900X was so expensive, maybe to not piss off the G1000 customers. I hope that a “G4X” with integrated navigator and transponder, would be no more expensive than a G3X, GTX345, and GNT650xi. I also don’t understand how an integrated solution would be less flexible in the ways the EAB world needs. Lastly, you do know there is such a thing as a certified G3X?

IMHO, it is unlikely that an integrated solution will be cheaper for everyone than a modular and scalable solution. I believe that is because not everyone wants or needs all the items included in the integrated solution. The price comparison of integrated vs modular only works if the customer wants and needs a certified IFR navigator included. The trend is moving toward building the hardware capable of all options that can be enabled with an upgrade token. I expect that trend to continue and expand. That means people that don't want those options are forced to help subsidize the cost of the hardware for those that do. I suppose it is possible that Garmin may offer plug and play expansion boards or cards for certain options but I would not hold my breath.

Of course I know there is a certified version of the G3X, I have only been around this product line....since the beginning. I was mostly referring to cannibalization of Garmin's certified IFR navigators which the current G3X does not include as an integrated product. Also, the typical certified G3X system install did not cannibalize much if any of Garmin's comparable certified product lines because most of those are going into aircraft that would have never been upgraded in the absence of such an upgrade path. In many cases where some overlap occurs like with their xponders, certain features are not necessarily allowed to exist on both sides of the fence and why they still offer models that are for experimental use only.

 

[Bavafa]

As an RV-8 builder, I am more than willing to upgrade to an integrated screen - particularly if I can no longer need to find a spot for the remote audio panel I've been trying to fit in. That integration would save a lot of space behind the panel.

Your wish will come true, of course I am just speculating

 

[Bavafa]

IMHO, it is unlikely that an integrated solution will be cheaper for everyone than a modular and scalable solution. I believe that is because not everyone wants or needs all the items included in the integrated solution. The price comparison of integrated vs modular only works if the customer wants and needs a certified IFR navigator included. The trend is moving toward building the hardware capable of all options that can be enabled with an upgrade token. I expect that trend to continue and expand. That means people that don't want those options are forced to help subsidize the cost of the hardware for those that do. I suppose it is possible that Garmin may offer plug and play expansion boards or cards for certain options but I would not hold my breath.

Of course I know there is a certified version of the G3X, I have only been around this product line....since the beginning. I was mostly referring to cannibalization of Garmin's certified IFR navigators which the current G3X does not include as an integrated product. Also, the typical certified G3X system install did not cannibalize much if any of Garmin's comparable certified product lines because most of those are going into aircraft that would have never been upgraded in the absence of such an upgrade path. In many cases where some overlap occurs like with their xponders, certain features are not necessarily allowed to exist on both sides of the fence and why they still offer models that are for experimental use only.

You are assuming that the offering will be only the integrated system. Lets not discount the idea that they could offer one as base model and then with the add on of the XYZ components such as a navigator, radio, audio etc. Then people have the choice of which to buy and save on panel space, wiring and hopefully $$$$.

 

[inktomi]

I love that Google's AI overview on search is now quoting us from this thread as if we know exactly what we're talking about

 

[mstrauss]

Of course I know there is a certified version of the G3X, I have only been around this product line....since the beginning. I was mostly referring to cannibalization of Garmin's certified IFR navigators which the current G3X does not include as an integrated product. Also, the typical certified G3X system install did not cannibalize much if any of Garmin's comparable certified product lines because most of those are going into aircraft that would have never been upgraded in the absence of such an upgrade path. In many cases where some overlap occurs like with their xponders, certain features are not necessarily allowed to exist on both sides of the fence and why they still offer models that are for experimental use only.

I figured you did, I was just trying to make the point that the two worlds are not isolated. I'm registered for the webinar on the 9th. Hopefully we will get a clearer understanding. Until then, I guess we'll just have to debate the unknown.

 

[egdeltur]

As an RV-8 builder, I am more than willing to upgrade to an integrated screen - particularly if I can no longer need to find a spot for the remote audio panel I've been trying to fit in. That integration would save a lot of space behind the panel.

That would be epic- I wonder how they can handle the user experience of all that functionality in the same screen.

I love that Google's AI overview on search is now quoting us from this thread as if we know exactly what we're talking about

Wow! You weren't kidding, hi Google! I'll update the thread title to AXIS integrated Flight Display

 

[egdeltur]

I suspect what we're looking at is an experimental version of the G3000 Integrated flight deck where the com panel is merged in:

 

[jliltd]

Maybe. The “path to upgrade” from the GMC 307 to the far superior GMC 507, which was introduced not long after the 307, was “buy a 507 at full retail.”

Right? Aside from the Track button I can't find an operational difference between the GMC 307 and GMC 507. Both provide the same audio alerts with the 307 using the GDU to deliver them while the 507 has actual audio out circuits. I know the 507 incorporated CAN Bus but in use there is no real difference.

 

[BurnieM]

In theory shouldn’t an integrated solution be cheaper than an à la cart? An integrated solution will also provide greater automation, and reduced panel space. Not sure why the G900X was so expensive, maybe to not piss off the G1000 customers. I hope that a “G4X” with integrated navigator and transponder, would be no more expensive than a G3X, GTX345, and GNT650xi. I also don’t understand how an integrated solution would be less flexible in the ways the EAB world needs. Lastly, you do know there is such a thing as a certified G3X?

The G3X Touch already has an internal WAAS GPS receiver using the same receiver hardware as its IFR navigators.

Several years ago there was a post from a Garmin support person implying that internal IFR software may (or may not) have already been written for the G3X Touch. It was also implied that this would have doubled the price of the G3X Touch; identical hardware, identical testing but huge amount of additional paperwork/approvals. It was implied that as the market for the G3X Touch was mainly experimental it would not have software support for an internal IFR navigator.

I do not see that this situation has changed for the G4X (or whatever the new version name will be) but a sharper screen and a faster processor with similar functionality at a similar price point plus 20% would be good.

 

[lr172]

That would be epic- I wonder how they can handle the user experience of all that functionality in the same screen.


Wow! You weren't kidding, hi Google! I'll update the thread title to AXIS integrated Flight Display
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Seems some should go back to the age old IT proverb - Garbage in, garbage out! Have to imagine they still teach that, at least i hope so. kind of hard to classify something that simply parrots a quote / rumor as intelligence. just a better search engine.

 

[Ironflight]

Whay are a few people assuming that the AXIS (doesn;t that have some dark connotations….?) is an upgrade to the G3X? Is the Porsche Cayenne an “upgrade” to the 911? Garmin has lots of product lines….. just sayin’….. I do know of folks that have put Garmin certified EFIS’s in their E-AB’s, but it is a minority…

 

[TASEsq]

I suspect what we're looking at is an experimental version of the G3000 Integrated flight deck where the com panel is merged in:

The PFD / MFD screens have bezel *buttons?!?!*

 

[rcarsey]

IMHO, it is unlikely that an integrated solution will be cheaper for everyone than a modular and scalable solution. I believe that is because not everyone wants or needs all the items included in the integrated solution. The price comparison of integrated vs modular only works if the customer wants and needs a certified IFR navigator included. The trend is moving toward building the hardware capable of all options that can be enabled with an upgrade token. I expect that trend to continue and expand. That means people that don't want those options are forced to help subsidize the cost of the hardware for those that do. I suppose it is possible that Garmin may offer plug and play expansion boards or cards for certain options but I would not hold my breath.

Of course I know there is a certified version of the G3X, I have only been around this product line....since the beginning. I was mostly referring to cannibalization of Garmin's certified IFR navigators which the current G3X does not include as an integrated product. Also, the typical certified G3X system install did not cannibalize much if any of Garmin's comparable certified product lines because most of those are going into aircraft that would have never been upgraded in the absence of such an upgrade path. In many cases where some overlap occurs like with their xponders, certain features are not necessarily allowed to exist on both sides of the fence and why they still offer models that are for experimental use only.

Everyone needs a screen, a radio, or two, and a transponder. Snap on those modules onto the back of the screen.. all set. Want redundancy? buy more modules and snap onto your MFD screen. Want that audio panel too and don't want to deal with the wiring between radios and your GMA345? Theres a module for that too. (this is my fairytale story of what AXIS is).

Right? Aside from the Track button I can't find an operational difference between the GMC 307 and GMC 507. Both provide the same audio alerts with the 307 using the GDU to deliver them while the 507 has actual audio out circuits. I know the 507 incorporated CAN Bus but in use there is no real difference.

You get the TRK button (which is an existing soft button on the G3x screen), but I -think- theres a little more redundancy with the 507 because it is connected to the CAN bus. The 305/307 were only connected using serial to the PFD (and to one servo) -- I think if the PFD were to die, the MFD would not be able to control it. Its an incremental upgrade over the 305/307 -- I retrofitted my RV-12 because I do a lot of flying where TRK mode is preferable to HDG.

 

[Dugaru]

Right? Aside from the Track button I can't find an operational difference between the GMC 307 and GMC 507. Both provide the same audio alerts with the 307 using the GDU to deliver them while the 507 has actual audio out circuits. I know the 507 incorporated CAN Bus but in use there is no real difference.

One real difference is that if you’re using just a G5 to run your autopilot, as I am, the 307 is apparently unable to generate any useable audio warning when the autopilot takes a nap. You just get a little teeny flashing yellow A on the G5 screen. Very suboptimal, because I’ve had it go unconscious more than once.

I would love to learn that I’m wrong about this!

 

[lr172]

Whay are a few people assuming that the AXIS (doesn;t that have some dark connotations….?) is an upgrade to the G3X? Is the Porsche Cayenne an “upgrade” to the 911? Garmin has lots of product lines….. just sayin’….. I do know of folks that have put Garmin certified EFIS’s in their E-AB’s, but it is a minority…

I question the same. Makes no sense to me and would wager a fair amount that this avis thing is something totally different. I will eat my ipad if that turns out to be the upgrade from a g3x. I just read this thread for entertainment. Like watching a fortune teller read tea leaves and then tell a person their fate. Endless entertainment.

If garmin were secretly releasing a major upgrade to the g3x, they wouldn’t schedule a webinar for it. It would all start with either press releases or an unveiling at an osh type event in front of the press.

 

[Bavafa]

I question the same. Makes no sense to me and would wager a fair amount that this avis thing is something totally different. I will eat my ipad if that turns out to be the upgrade from a g3x. I just read this thread for entertainment. Like watching a fortune teller read tea leaves and then tell a person their fate. Endless entertainment.

If garmin were secretly releasing a major upgrade to the g3x, they wouldn’t schedule a webinar for it. It would all start with either press releases or an unveiling at an osh type event in front of the press.

For more entertainment, how do we define upgrade vs totally different?

 

[egdeltur]

Whay are a few people assuming that the AXIS (doesn;t that have some dark connotations….?) is an upgrade to the G3X? Is the Porsche Cayenne an “upgrade” to the 911? Garmin has lots of product lines….. just sayin’….. I do know of folks that have put Garmin certified EFIS’s in their E-AB’s, but it is a minority…

This calls for a OSH cold beer bet. I wager AXIS is upgraded g3x. I'll be there Monday-Tuesday. Any volunteers for the other side?

 

[newt]

As an RV-8 builder, I am more than willing to upgrade to an integrated screen - particularly if I can no longer need to find a spot for the remote audio panel I've been trying to fit in. That integration would save a lot of space behind the panel.

Why does your remote audio panel need to go into space behind the panel? Stick it behind the baggage bulkhead or somewhere else with lots of space. You don't need an entire new line of integrated avionics to solve this problem, you just need wire.

Fun observation: Everyone seems to be assuming that AXIS is a product aimed at experimental aircraft. What if AXIS is (say) an OEM equivalent to Cirrus Perspective G7 Touch that can be retrofitted into your old Cessna 182 or Piper Arrow? Garmin put a lot of work into that system and it's only currently available for a very small handful of aircraft types, which seems pretty weird to me.

- mark

 

[Jonnyb]

I’m thinking G3X-Xi rather than G4X. Maybe with built in com radio and ADSB in/out transponder. Given just about everybody has to buy both.

 

[MJarreau]

My main concern (sarcaism on): will it be primed?!?

 

[lr172]

This calls for a OSH cold beer bet. I wager AXIS is upgraded g3x. I'll be there Monday-Tuesday. Any volunteers for the other side?

Of course anything is possible. I spent a decent part of my career in marketing, as well as some product management. Garmin has a great deal of value they have accrued with the g3x brand and carry a good sized market share. Changing the name makes no sense and would be quite far from the norm unles wildly revolutional and don't see how that could be the case here. I don't doubt they are releasing something new, but just doesn't make sense for a g3x upgrade or replacement.

 

[BurnieM]

Except Garmin replaced the GTN650 with the GTN650Xi and the same with GTN750 to GTN750Xi.
Some small software improvements but mainly faster processor and sharper screen.

Maybe we will get a G3X-Xi with faster processor and sharper screen but otherwise the same internals and external interfaces ?

 

[Longez]

Maybe. The “path to upgrade” from the GMC 307 to the far superior GMC 507, which was introduced not long after the 307, was “buy a 507 at full retail.”

Just to keep the historical record accurate, the GMC 307 was announced in July of 2015 and the GMC 507 was announced almost 3 yrs later in February of 2018. It doesn't seem accurate to say that the 507 was introduced "not long after" the 307.

As mentioned in this post, perhaps you should just put your GMC 307 up for sale and buy the GMC 507 you really want! The GMC 307 is still very nice for someone with a G3X or G3X Touch system.

Steve

 

[mstrauss]

Why does your remote audio panel need to go into space behind the panel? Stick it behind the baggage bulkhead or somewhere else with lots of space. You don't need an entire new line of integrated avionics to solve this problem, you just need wire.

I would propose that placing avionics all over the fuselage, is not as robust a solution as integrating functionality into one box.

Fun observation: Everyone seems to be assuming that AXIS is a product aimed at experimental aircraft. What if AXIS is (say) an OEM equivalent to Cirrus Perspective G7 Touch that can be retrofitted into your old Cessna 182 or Piper Arrow? Garmin put a lot of work into that system and it's only currently available for a very small handful of aircraft types, which seems pretty weird to me.

Because little birdies that know something about something have been tweeting.

 

[lr172]

I would propose that placing avionics all over the fuselage, is not as robust a solution as integrating functionality into one box.

that is debatable. With fully integrated, all in one box solutions, one failure can wipe everything out. kind of like the idea that if my transponder, comm, audio panel, etc. fails, i replace just that component. with garmins flat rate repair structure, i can only imagine how painfull that would be to send an integrated system in for something simple.

 

[Dugaru]

Just to keep the historical record accurate, the GMC 307 was announced in July of 2015 and the GMC 507 was announced almost 3 yrs later in February of 2018.

That’s a somewhat heroic “almost three years” calculation but point taken. I think it was a bit odd for them to promote a controller/screen combination (307/G5) that made no provision for an audible disconnect alarm, when that appears to be a common (required?) feature in other autopilots I’ve used. But I’m not losing sleep over it.

 

[newt]

I would propose that placing avionics all over the fuselage, is not as robust a solution as integrating functionality into one box.

Well that's just not right at all, is it? What theory of operation would need to be true to drive that outcome?

Because little birdies that know something about something have been tweeting.

Nobody in this thread knows anything, including me. It's just 4 pages of opinion. The people who know things aren't talking because they don't want to get fired; The entire basis of this thread is speculation sparked by @egdeltur over the fact that G3X Touch hasn't had a hardware bump in a while.

(We get this thread on VAF every year a couple of weeks before OSH. One year, Garmin will come out with something and everyone in the thread will crow about how right they were, shoving all the other threads down the memory hole. But is that more likely to happen this year than the same thread a year ago? I have no idea, and neither do you)

One thing I do know: Someone at Garmin will be having a giggle about the fact that there's rarely, if ever, a similar thread about Dynon Skyview

- mark

 

[newt]

I think it was a bit odd for them to promote a controller/screen combination (307/G5) that made no provision for an audible disconnect alarm, when that appears to be a common (required?) feature in other autopilots I’ve used. But I’m not losing sleep over it.

TruTrak (aka Bendix-King) doesn't have any audible disconnect alarm. Never has.

(probably the most popular historical autopilot in RVs, all thngs considered)

- mark

 

[Jonnyb]

I would propose that placing avionics all over the fuselage, is not as robust a solution as integrating functionality

The LRU concept is used extensively in commercial aviation

 

[Dugaru]

TruTrak (aka Bendix-King) doesn't have any audible disconnect alarm. Never has.

(probably the most popular historical autopilot in RVs, all thngs considered)

- mark

Although I’m still not losing sleep, I couldn’t resist doing a dive on this.

Looks like TruTrak’s feature omission takes advantage of an exception for experimentals and VFR LSAs. Lack of a disconnect alarm would never fly (pun intended) in a transport category aircraft. 14 CFR 25.1329(j). Apparently it also would violate the consensus standards generally used as an MOC to establish airworthiness for normal category GA aircraft and IFR LSAs. ASTM F3061/F3061M, ASTM F37.

So it’s definitely a common feature. The answer to my “required?” question is “no for RVs, but apparently yes for the vast majority of aircraft.”

Moving beyond the regs, is an aural warning a good idea? My view is “hell yes,” and the evidence suggests Garmin agrees with me. My guess is that they originally promoted the 307/G5 combo without focusing on the fact that it would lack the aural warning that exists in literally all their other autopilot setups, including the 307/G3X/G3X Touch combo. But that’s just a guess, I could well be wrong.

 

[Freemasm]

……We get this thread on VAF every year a couple of weeks before OSH. One year, Garmin will come out with something and everyone in the thread will crow about how right they were, shoving all the other threads down the memory hole. But is that more likely to happen this year than the same thread a year ago?

- mark

Very akin to some popular financial “experts”. They predict something for many years in a row then when it finally happens, it’s a case of “What did I tell you!”

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

BTW. A G3x replacement will be announced at Osh. How do I known? Because I bought a G3x suite and recently powered it up for the first time. That’s how the universe treats me.

 

[mstrauss]

Nobody in this thread knows anything, including me. It's just 4 pages of opinion. The people who know things aren't talking because they don't want to get fired; The entire basis of this thread is speculation sparked by @egdeltur over the fact that G3X Touch hasn't had a hardware bump in a while.

(We get this thread on VAF every year a couple of weeks before OSH. One year, Garmin will come out with something and everyone in the thread will crow about how right they were, shoving all the other threads down the memory hole. But is that more likely to happen this year than the same thread a year ago? I have no idea, and neither do you)

One thing I do know: Someone at Garmin will be having a giggle about the fact that there's rarely, if ever, a similar thread about Dynon Skyview

Something is different this year. The little birdies I am speaking of do not participate on VAF. Let’s just say if anyone outside Garmin would be in a position to know something is coming, they would.

 

[mstrauss]

that is debatable. With fully integrated, all in one box solutions, one failure can wipe everything out. kind of like the idea that if my transponder, comm, audio panel, etc. fails, i replace just that component. with garmins flat rate repair structure, i can only imagine how painfull that would be to send an integrated system in for something simple.

You make a good point regarding repairs. I also agree that some redundancy is needed if using one big display for everything. I’d still want something like a G5, and external 2nd com.

 

[Dugaru]

with garmins flat rate repair structure, i can only imagine how painfull that would be to send an integrated system in for something simple.

This (exhorbitant) flat-rate repair stuff is going to become a huge deal for GA. Pretty sure Avidyne already has the same practice. And just wait until Hartzell buys them both…

 

[egdeltur]

Nobody in this thread knows anything, including me. It's just 4 pages of opinion. The people who know things aren't talking because they don't want to get fired; The entire basis of this thread is speculation sparked by @egdeltur over the fact that G3X Touch hasn't had a hardware bump in a while.

(We get this thread on VAF every year a couple of weeks before OSH. One year, Garmin will come out with something and everyone in the thread will crow about how right they were, shoving all the other threads down the memory hole. But is that more likely to happen this year than the same thread a year ago? I have no idea, and neither do you)

One thing I do know: Someone at Garmin will be having a giggle about the fact that there's rarely, if ever, a similar thread about Dynon Skyview

Oh hi Mark! My prediction was grounded in:

• The GDU is the oldest un-refreshed display Garmin sells and the next gen HW exists and hasn't been updated in over a year with regular updates prior
• Van's avionics lead time jump from ~8 to 30 weeks and is still 30 and the 12is's energy budget
• g3x HW is EOL, unsupported and not produced and prices have increased

Since then the thread's data points, are:

• @anthonycroberts caught "AXIS Integrated Flight Display System" on Garmin's own Oshkosh page (#131), taken down shortly after (hi Garmin!). Per @kirkbauer (#146), the July 9 webinar page was also showed the same.
• @Cessnadog's dealer expected an AirVenture announcement, September+ to get hardware, and "a path to upgrade"
• @themedicd's dealer told him to wait until summer rather than take his money
• @finack got "buy electronics last... come to the shows this year" from a Garmin rep

We're not speculating on gut, we predicting with imperfect information. If you disagree a OSH beer bet stands with no takers since Feb

 

[Richard Connell]

In a past life I used to install high end marine electronics. I’ve always kept an eye on that market. Obviously it’s orders of magnitude larger than experimental (or all of) aviation.
The hardware there has been steadily advancing every year because there is proper competition and a large market.
Check out some of Garmin’s boat displays.
27” HD touchscreen EFIS anyone? Nobody in that market is putting up with playing galaga on WXGA in 2026.

For me there’s no doubt that they have the means to economically deliver what most people think is the likely successor. The reason they drag the chain is because they can. Nobody has been holding their feet close enough to the flames to get them to react. That can’t go on forever obviously and the odds shorten every year. But is this the year?

 

[bertschb]

I may have missed it but did somebody already share this?
Garmin Aviation Launch Event - Something Revolutionary is Coming

 

[stigaro]

I may have missed it but did somebody already share this?
Garmin Aviation Launch Event - Something Revolutionary is Coming

That's the first solid data yet. That button placement is not a G3X screen.