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Good day all. Brand new to the forum. Currently flying a 1977 Beechcraft Sundowner. Original plan was to be flying my wife and 2 dogs to the Texas Hill Country from the Texas coast. My wife decided she did not want to do that anymore, so now my mission has changed. I think I want a fun plane just to go play. I'm retired and just want to fly. Working on my instrument rating. I have always loved the look of the RV 8. So it's on the list of candidates. Any insight you care to share would be greatly appreciated.

-Ray
 
I have an RV-4, similar, less expensive, same experience. have you been in any RV, sitting on ground and or flying? Are you Tailwheel rated?, will your wife fly with you? Its hard to "sell" you on a plane if here are outlying things that you may or may not have experienced...BUT, I doubt anyone on here will have anything but good to say about the RV-8. We don't know the rest of your list of "candidates ", but many folks on here may be able to you comparative views of the others vs the -8. The more you tell us, the more accurate your replies will be...Jump in!
 
The entire RV line are awesome little planes. I don't have an 8 but my 7 is a quick and versatile ride with Bonanza speed on a 172 fuel burn.

I would have built an 8 but my wife didn't want to sit in the back, so that was the end of that :) As I understand it, the the 8's have a bit more shoulder room than the side by side models by the time you get two people across, but I'd encourage you to look at all the models, not just the 8.

welcome to VAF
 
The RV-8, and the RV-4 if you can fit in one, are a total blast. Flying on the centerline of the airplane raises the fun factor, at least for me. I find I feel less like I am operating a machine, and more like the airplane is an extension of me -- A feeling I rarely get sitting in a side-by-side.
All the sporty RVs land a bit faster and are generally more responsive than you are accustomed to, so definitely do a good course of transition training. There are LOTS of RVs in Texas, so you should be able to get a ride in one before you decide.
The RV-8 is a generally easy tailwheel airplane to fly, although its landing gear behaves differently than the other RVs -- It is more stiff and springy, and won't hesitate to bounce if you touch with any appreciable sink rate.
 
We built the -8 because my wife (who’s also a pilot) prefers seats on the centerline. It is a great cross country airplane for two if you pack light. Sometimes we’ve bought clothes at the destination and sent them home by UPS. Our max leg is about 400 nautical - not max range but need to stretch our legs every couple of hours. It’s great for grass fields.
I’m 78 so don’t fly instruments or at night anymore. Some people do, but you need an autopilot for instrument work.
I did a bfr recently in a 172. If you fly any RV, especially a -4 or -8, you will throw rocks at a bunch of airplanes. I’ve owned several and the only one I loved as much as the -8 was the Stearman and you can’t really make a vacation in it.
 
I have an RV-4, similar, less expensive, same experience. have you been in any RV, sitting on ground and or flying? Are you Tailwheel rated?, will your wife fly with you? Its hard to "sell" you on a plane if here are outlying things that you may or may not have experienced...BUT, I doubt anyone on here will have anything but good to say about the RV-8. We don't know the rest of your list of "candidates ", but many folks on here may be able to you comparative views of the others vs the -8. The more you tell us, the more accurate your replies will be...Jump in!
Good point. No taildragger experience other than 2 discovery flights. One in a J3 with no electrucal system (at age 67, I am NOT handpropping) and the other in a Carbon Cub. I actually got to land it twice.
How do I correctly and politely ask for a ride in an RV? I pay for gas? Buy lunch? I do not want to step on toes and come across as a bumbling fool.
Thanks for the info.
Other planes I am looking at are of the hugh wing variety, but like Carbin Cubs, seem out of my range. I also need to sell my Sundowner first, I think.
 
Good day all. Brand new to the forum. Currently flying a 1977 Beechcraft Sundowner. Original plan was to be flying my wife and 2 dogs to the Texas Hill Country from the Texas coast. My wife decided she did not want to do that anymore, so now my mission has changed. I think I want a fun plane just to go play. I'm retired and just want to fly. Working on my instrument rating. I have always loved the look of the RV 8. So it's on the list of candidates. Any insight you care to share would be greatly appreciated.

-Ray
The -8 is quite a step up from a Sundowner. Much faster, even better control response, and will really be a pleasant surprise on how it broadens your range of places to go in the same amount of time as the Sundowner. If you have tailwheel time it will not be a hard transition as the -8 is comparatively gentle for a tailwheel aircraft. But it may be a challenge to learn if you've no tailwheel time. The -8A might then be your choice, but not as many of those available.

My wife wife likes sitting in the back as she has her own space. Plenty of baggage space both in the forward baggage area and behind the back seat. We easily carry enough for four or five days at KOSH. The dogs may be a different issue depending on their size.

I've been flying my -8 since 2005 and frankly I have no interest in flying anything else. Us -8 guys tend to be a little "Evangelical" when talking about our planes. Van, himself, once walked past my -8 at Oshkosh as I was preaching its virtues to a potential builder. He just smiled and said, "Oh, you 8 guys."

You might say I highly recommend an -8.

Chris

P.S. A small bear can easily fit in the back seat.
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Good point. No taildragger experience other than 2 discovery flights. One in a J3 with no electrucal system (at age 67, I am NOT handpropping) and the other in a Carbon Cub. I actually got to land it twice.

An -8 does exactly what you tell it to do. You want to be sure you tell it the right thing, because will do the wrong thing just as quick.

How do I correctly and politely ask for a ride in an RV? I pay for gas? Buy lunch?

Show up. This bunch is overflowing with brand evangelicals.

I do not want to step on toes and come across as a bumbling fool.

That comes later, hanging around here ;)

Other planes I am looking at are of the hugh wing variety, but like Carbin Cubs, seem out of my range. I also need to sell my Sundowner first, I think.

You're going to find a decent -8 generally in excess of $125K, with really nice over $150K. Go ahead and sell the Sundowner so you are cash in hand ready. And have a pre-buy 8-guy on standby. When a nice -8 hits the market at a good price, it moves very quickly.
 
Good point. No taildragger experience other than 2 discovery flights. One in a J3 with no electrucal system (at age 67, I am NOT handpropping) and the other in a Carbon Cub. I actually got to land it twice.
How do I correctly and politely ask for a ride in an RV? I pay for gas? Buy lunch? I do not want to step on toes and come across as a bumbling fool.
Thanks for the info.
Other planes I am looking at are of the hugh wing variety, but like Carbin Cubs, seem out of my range. I also need to sell my Sundowner first, I think.
Most all RV folks are accommodating and will likely give you a ride simply because your looking to buy one. We are a good bunch. RVs are well mannered TW aircraft, but you'll need to get proper TW training and adapt ro the RV speed range. Next time your out in the Sundowner, practice Duch Roll avoidance..45-45 degrees on the ailerons left and right while holding a centerline. Get good at it...it will train your feet to use the rudder.
 
I'm on my 2nd RV-8 and LOVE IT! I've flown a -4 a few times and while they are definitely a bit snappier, I don't feel I lose anything with the -8 and definitely gain a LOT of room over the smaller cousin. I think its a GREAT XC airplane and have had no issue taking enough stuff for two for a week. I far prefer it over the side-by-sides..... but depending on how much you want your wife to fly, the tandem may not be for her. But it sounds like she's already over the whole flying thing anyway from your OP - so I would buy what you want to fly and have fun and not worry about it.

Also, And I'm sure I'm going to be labeled a blasphemer here..... you can always get an RV-8A nose dragger if you're at the point in your life at 67 you don't want to learn all the TW stuff. Its not for everybody. I personally love TW and not sure I would go back to a nose wheel in a sporty plane. BUT...... TW skills and the investment in time to become good and safe are not to be taken lightly.
 
Fantastic airplane! Miss mine a lot. Have gone full circle, built RV8 (First in the state of NM) sold it (had a kid) then went certified (C-180), now have an SLSA (Evektor Sportstar). There is something truly special about the RV of any version. Get a ride and get out your checkbook. That's how it will likely play out. Jus sayin!
 
You buy an RV-8 or any RV because they are FUN, handling is a delight, visibility is amazing, fast and do aerobatics (except RV-9, -10, -12. -15).
If you are an airplane owner you know. I don't know how much your annuals are? Are you an A&P / AI and do your own annuals?
With an experimental or E-AB (experimental amateur built), you can do your own Annual (called condition inspection) every 12 months, even if you did not build it, but bought the plane.** This can save money, but you have to put the work in, have hanger, have skills and/or willingness to learn.

** Back ground, in past you built an E-AB the plane you applied for the Repairman certificate. You were basically the A&P and AI for that aircraft you built. If you sold the plane the new owner could not do Condition inspections, they had to get an A&P to sign off. No AI is needed to sign of Condition inspections, just an A&P. Certified GA planes Part 23 need an AI to sign off the "Annual".​
Now with new recent ruling you can buy an E-AB you did build, take a 2 day weekend class. After that you can apply to do condition inspection on the plane you bought (you can only work on that plane you bought). You get a Repairman certificate for just that plane.​

Airframe parts are going to be cheaper, but if you need a new aileron, you might have to build it.

However it still has an Aircraft Engine, Prop. Tires.... Fixed cost Hanger, Insurance, Fuel, Oil Changes, going to be similar to any plane. RV's are efficient fast planes. In terms of MPG you can scoot along near 200 mph at 25 MPG. They are durable and well designed. Still aircraft engine care and feeding. It is a PLANE... which is expensive.

New IFR PILOT in an RV-8? I am a high time ATP retired and CFI-CFII-CFI(ME) and active teaching. I just finished teaching an Instrument student last October. He passed first time, yeah (my record still stands, all my students pass 1st time). I have flew IFR without autopilot in the 1990's all the time, including in my RV-4 (also a tandem two place tail dragger like RV-8). It had my full attention. Advanced digital autopilots were not invented for GA yet in the 90's, basic wing levelers yes. I used the IFR ability of my RV to file to depart, go through overcast or let down en-route through undercast, do approaches to high mins. I especially like to file IFR into busy airspace, e.g., Vegas or Los Angles area, in VFR condition or night. This was in the day before IFR GPS navigators and GPS RNAV approaches. I did have a portable Garmin GPS in the RV-4, but officially NAV was VOR/LOC/GS. The Dina sore days before "Children of The Magenta Line". I swear some of my customers, be they students or rated pilots for a Flight Review or IPC, have a hard time with N, E, S, W, or how to use a VOR to save their life. Instrument rated pilots are better, but most just fly magenta. I digress.

My current plane, RV-7 has dual axis autopilot, EFIS, WAAS Garmin GPS. I can hand fly my RV-7 IMC, very responsive, precise. However it has light controls and very low drag. I flew a Metro Liner 19 seat two crew no autopilot 8 hrs a day IMC back in the day. However single pilot IFR in a single engine plane is not for me anymore. Autopilot is a must single pilot, especially an RV-8, in my opinion unless it is LIGHT IFR for short periods to get to VFR. It's not a C-172. Why? For one reason we have the technology now, not available to GA planes in the 90's and even 2000's.

Second reason, an RV-8 will wind up past Vne quickly if you get into unusual attitude. My point RV's were never made to be IFR platforms as main mission, they are sport planes to have fun VFR even aerobatics, but they can serve as a good IFR platform, if you are current, competent Inst Pilot, and have an autopilot, GPS, that you know how use well not fumbling with button-knob-menu. Congrats on your IFR training. It will make you a better pilot.
 
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How do I correctly and politely ask for a ride in an RV? I pay for gas? Buy lunch? I do not want to step on toes and come across as a bumbling fool.

New post in the appropriate Regional Forum for your location:

Hi, my name is Ray and I think I am ready to be an RV owner. I'm thinking about an RV-8, but would really like to see any single digit series RV up close and ask some questions. Maybe even a short hop? I'm good for gas or grub or beverages of choice! Any one near <insert location of your McMansion here> willing to meet up?
 
1. Keep talk of compensation low key here on a public forum. It is, after all, not legal.
2. If you’re thinking of finishing your ifr rating in the -8, look at what controls/instruments are available to a rear seat cfii. Some will do this without rear brakes, some may not. Some will want instruments in the back (especially for actual).
 
I was in a similar situation some 15 years ago. I had been flying a Cessna 310 for about 13 years without many family trips in it or even trips with the wife (because the kids were still little and we always had too much stuff for the plane). I ended up wanting something smaller. I didn't know much about the Vans RV world back then and saw an RV8 one day at a local airport while getting fuel. I immediately fell in love with it and had to have one. No tailwheel experience, but made friends with that owner and he ultimately helped me buy an RV7 (best plane I've ever owned). Fast forward, stupidity kicked in and I sold the -7 and have had many planes since. I currently have an RV8 and do love it, but I'm torn on selling it and buying a -7. I just like having the side by side to take friends for rides and having the wife or other family members next to me when they decide to come along. My point in sharing the story is maybe consider a -7 even though we all agree the -8 is a "cooler" looking plane. The -7 is easier to land and a bit more forgiving on the ground and if you decide to buy a nose wheel RV, the 7A is still a good looking plane and you are more likely to find a CFII to teach in a side by side than a tandem. Personally, I think the RV8A doesn't look right, just like I think a Carbon Cub with a nose wheel is a travesty but thats my personal opinion. The other thing to consider is getting in and out of RVs is a bit harder as we get older as well as getting insurance after 70 (so you may need to self insure). I don't think you can go wrong with any RVs. I think even an RV12 would be a step up in enjoyment over a Sundowner.
 
Wow, great stuff. I do have my A&P, so I could do my condition inspections. I do believe that selling my Sundowner first will have to happen. Is there a list of fly-ins in Texas, or a surrounding state where I could go and talk to some RV owners? I'd like to start getting acquainted with this crowd.
I have a request in for a general quote on an RV 8, just for reference.

At any rate, this forum looks like a gold mine of helpful info. Thanks so much to all.

I also like the strict guidelines for posting. Only the important stuff and no snark from keyboard warriors. Very cool!

-Ray
 
but you need an autopilot for instrument work.
Not to hijack the thread, but this caught my eye last night but was too tired to respond. While an AP for Instrument work is REALLY REALLY Nice to have (I have an AP in my IFR -8), especially for single pilot IFR - it is not and should not be a "need" or NO GO requirement. I got my civilian instrument rating in a C-172 w/ no AP, NO GPS, and definitely no glass anything. And have flown single pilot IFR in IMC on XC's fully hand-flying from T/O to land.

Now, would I far prefer to have an AP for that stuff??? ABSOLUTELY! But I hope y'all are practicing hand-flying approaches on a regular basis. Because Murphy WILL fail that AP at the worst possible time. Automation is great..... until its not.

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New post in the appropriate Regional Forum for your location:

Hi, my name is Ray and I think I am ready to be an RV owner. I'm thinking about an RV-8, but would really like to see any single digit series RV up close and ask some questions. Maybe even a short hop? I'm good for gas or grub or beverages of choice! Any one near <insert location of your McMansion here> willing to meet up?

Don’t go for the ride until you have cash and all other stakeholders (spouse in particular) on board. It will be the most expensive “free” ride you’ve ever taken, you’ll have to have one. 😁
 
Don’t go for the ride until you have cash and all other stakeholders (spouse in particular) on board. It will be the most expensive “free” ride you’ve ever taken, you’ll have to have one. 😁
I was reading all the way down and ready to tell him this same thing !!!

He should sell the Sundowner first because once he takes that ride in the RV-8, or in any RV, he'll go nuts with anxiety wanting the RV-8 and he might end up selling the Sundowner at a lower price than it's worth just to get rid of it and have the cash to go buy the RV-8 !! In my case it was a ride in an RV-7 and was lucky to find a nice RV-8 to buy about a month later.
 
There was a newer RV8 at my home airport that wasn't flown regularly. The owner/builder decided to sell it. He only mentioned it to a couple of his friends and within a week, it was sold to a local pilot, at the full asking price.
 
There was a newer RV8 at my home airport that wasn't flown regularly. The owner/builder decided to sell it. He only mentioned it to a couple of his friends and within a week, it was sold to a local pilot, at the full asking price.
Yep good RV's sell fast and generally locally...
 
My current plane, RV-7 has dual axis autopilot, EFIS, WAAS Garmin GPS. I can hand fly my RV-7 IMC, very responsive, precise. However it has light controls and very low drag. I flew a Metro Liner 19 seat two crew no autopilot 8 hrs a day IMC back in the day. However single pilot IFR in a single engine plane is not for me anymore. Autopilot is a must single pilot, especially an RV-8, in my opinion. It's not a C-172. Why? For one reason we have the technology now, not available to GA planes in the 90's.

Second reason, an RV-8 will wind up past Vne quickly if you get into unusual attitude. My point RV's were never made to be IFR platforms as main mission, they are sport planes to have fun VFR, but they can serve as a good IFR platform, if you are current, competent Inst Pilot, and have an autopilot, GPS, that you know how use well. Congrats on your IFR training. It will make you a better pilot.

...fall to the level of your training...and your autopilot.
 
Just another option. I know at least half dozen owner and or builders who don't look at VAF. It's an awesome resource, but not all use it.
So the other option is just walk around your local airports. You will find all Vans models and most are happy to share the experience. There are three 7s (one 7A mine and two 7s) and one 14A on my row of hangars alone. Next row has two flying 12s an 8 and a 4 under construction. I probably met all within a week or two. All great folks. We often help each other and many of us have keys to each other's hangars in case we need something. It's really a great community.
 
I'm pretty sure there is at least a couple of RV's at my local airport and the next one over. I'll go start sticking my head inside open hangars on nice days... with permission from the owners first, of course.
 
My wife wants to fly at my SIDE.. just sayin'
Yea. That's how I ended up building a 7A. Sweetie is tiny. She said, "Build anything you want as long as I sit beside and the little wheel is up front." She hated the view from the back seat in a tandem. And anyone who knows Hispanic women, knows what Happy Wife, Happy Life really means!
Love that lady. I fly a 7A and love every minute!
 
As mentioned, if the plane is priced right, it generally gets sold FAST! I was looking at RV-8's off and on (mostly on) for nearly 2 years. Luckily I had a couple other planes so it wasn't a requirement to get on, I just always wanted one. Most that were priced in my budget seemed to always be too far for me to look at. Personally, I will not purchase anything without eyes on. By the time I could arrange travel time, they were sold. Some sold within days, most within a week or two. Hopefully if one comes up that you are interestted in, you can be on the road quickly for a look.
The one's that seem to languish are those high end, award winning types (with correspondingly higher pricing) that have a much more limited market base.
 
After 10 months of -8 ownership I couldn't be happier. I like to tinker, so there have been many small projects I've worked on (with lots of searching the VAF archives for help), which also means I know this aircraft better than any other plane I've flown. I've been fortunate that nothing has broken that I had to pay an A&P to fix (yet). My brother bought a Cirrus of the same vintage (2008) a month ago and has already lost a weekend of flying waiting for an A&P to fix something that I would have taken care of in my hangar with hand tools in an afternoon.

I was advised to buy a side by side to get the wife to come along- but she's not in love with flying in small airplanes yet anyway so I'm glad I got the plane of my dreams. If she starts coming along regularly and wants to sit by my side we'll re-evaluate.

As far as purchasing one, you can wait forever for the perfect airplane to show up in your price range, or you can buy one like I did and "grow into it". Learning to fix all of the little things that bother me has been a fun part of the journey for someone who dreams of building but just can't make the time commitment.

If I had an Oshkosh winner in my hangar with nothing to do other than fly and polish it I might get a little bored!

Of course I'm leaving out that it flies great and is very capable. My other dream planes were Extra or Gamebird which are 3-4x the price, no baggage space. double or triple maintenance and insurance costs, and I probably wouldn't be using half of their aero capabilities. At least in the RV I can say I'm using 75% of what the airplane is capable of. Ok maybe 50% but who's counting? :ROFLMAO:
 
So yesterday I took the first step. I drove to a gentleman's house about 3 hours from here who has a -8 for sale. He was very up front and told me he has a buyer planning a pre-buy. I asked if I could just come look at it, as I have never seen one up close and personal. He said sure. It is beautiful! I got to sit in it, you know, try it on for size, lol.
he lives in a community with a private strip in the back yard. Pretty cool. He also has a friend with a beautiful -4 for sale... maybe, so I got to check that one out too. Can anyone give me a brief comparison if the two. Clamshell canopy on the 4 vs slider on the 8. The 4's slightly smaller, but both are quite comfortable, at least sitting on the ground.
 
Go tour the Vans factory.
At the end of it they show the product line, canopies are open to go sit.
Test flight must be prearranged but was available when I went.
Free tour=expensive result for me.
 
I’m 78 so don’t fly instruments or at night anymore. Some people do, but you need an autopilot for instrument work.
This. Train regularly and thoroughly so you don’t HAVE to use an autopilot for instrument flight, then… use it.

Meanwhile, the relatively low cost and amazing capabilities of the autopilots currently available for experimental aircraft is a huge boon.
 
So yesterday I took the first step. I drove to a gentleman's house about 3 hours from here who has a -8 for sale. He was very up front and told me he has a buyer planning a pre-buy. I asked if I could just come look at it, as I have never seen one up close and personal. He said sure. It is beautiful! I got to sit in it, you know, try it on for size, lol.
he lives in a community with a private strip in the back yard. Pretty cool. He also has a friend with a beautiful -4 for sale... maybe, so I got to check that one out too. Can anyone give me a brief comparison if the two. Clamshell canopy on the 4 vs slider on the 8. The 4's slightly smaller, but both are quite comfortable, at least sitting on the ground.
I have a -4 I built, have lots of time around all the RV's. I built the -4 when the RV-8 was just coming out, but I'd still build the -4 today. The tip over canopy allows the best all around visibility, and the -4 is a slight bit more nimble in flight. Can't go wrong with either plane, but each has its own differences one prefers over the other. -4 is cheaper, has a little less room, but it still does the same basic mission. RV-8 has a longer range, bigger tanks, FWD and AFT baggage, but again, those factors may not matter if your mission is more sport flying than traveling with stuff.
 
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I love my 8 but, if you only plan to fly in circles in the local area and IFR train, wouldn't a 12 be less expensive and make it easier to IFR train? The 4 is an 85% 8 (actually it is a 115% 4 since it came first) but they are very similar otherwise. Often the 4 is an O-320 and FP while the 8 is more commonly a 360 or larger and a CSP. As mentioned above the 4 is a little more economical (not from personal experience but through research). You might consider an 8A with no TW experience also. Less common, doesn't look as cool on the ramp (IMO) but it certainly makes transition training easier and drops insurance cost.
 
So yesterday I took the first step. I drove to a gentleman's house about 3 hours from here who has a -8 for sale. He was very up front and told me he has a buyer planning a pre-buy. I asked if I could just come look at it, as I have never seen one up close and personal. He said sure. It is beautiful! I got to sit in it, you know, try it on for size, lol.
he lives in a community with a private strip in the back yard. Pretty cool. He also has a friend with a beautiful -4 for sale... maybe, so I got to check that one out too. Can anyone give me a brief comparison if the two. Clamshell canopy on the 4 vs slider on the 8. The 4's slightly smaller, but both are quite comfortable, at least sitting on the ground.
I was kind of on the same journey last year. I looked at 4s and was originally attracted to them because of the lower entry cost, sometimes half of what the 8 is selling for.

Yes the 4 is smaller. the back seat especially. I would have bought one, but I was convinced I could not buy an airplane that I could not take my pilot brother in, We're both 200lb and that's marginal for the 4, depending on the airplane, build, experience of the pilot, etc. Also I wanted my wife to be comfortable- she's 6'.

Fast forward almost a year, brother has never ridden in the 8 and now he bought a cirrus- (his wife is afraid of experimentals and planes in general) and my wife has only been in the 8 once. So I could have been fine with a 4.

Some of the other cons are that the 4, being an earlier kit, required more skill and attention to detail- (drilling and dimpling skins vs. pre punched, etc.) in critical areas, so a thorough pre-buy by a knowledgeable RV person is critical. The 8 was available as a quick build so there is the possibility of fewer screw ups by the builder- although we all know that is subjective and you need to thoroughly inspect any airplane.

I'm glad I ended up with the 8, and for me a slider canopy is a life saving feature in FL where you need airflow on the ground to not die.
 
I love my 8 but, if you only plan to fly in circles in the local area and IFR train, wouldn't a 12 be less expensive and make it easier to IFR train? The 4 is an 85% 8 (actually it is a 115% 4 since it came first) but they are very similar otherwise. Often the 4 is an O-320 and FP while the 8 is more commonly a 360 or larger and a CSP. As mentioned above the 4 is a little more economical (not from personal experience but through research). You might consider an 8A with no TW experience also. Less common, doesn't look as cool on the ramp (IMO) but it certainly makes transition training easier and drops insurance cost.
Good points. Since my mission is changing, I am not as likely to continue the IFR training. Yes, it makes one a better pilot. Yes, it lowers insurance costs, but once you get it, you have to keep up with it. I have no need/desire to fly into clouds or into bravo airspace. I have found filing a VFR flight plan and requesting flight following to work well. I am retired, so never have "get home itis". Still like the 4's and 8's
 
I fly in and around bravo all the time while VFR with and without a flight plan. If you are at least a private pilot, and if you were flying a Sundowner you probably are, why would you avoid bravo? A 4, 8, or 12 doesn't make a difference as long as it has the right equipment, and I expect all the planes you consider will.
 
True enough. I just think a tail dragger would be a new challenge. Once I get that nailed down, I'd like to try some mild aerobatics. Learn spin recovery (a useful skill), loops, aileron rolls and Immelmans (did I spell that right?)
Just my personal preference.
 
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