Jpm757

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Some of us have been waiting anxiously for a Van's high wing bush plane. I was hoping that it would be my next project, but I don't see anything on the horizon. I am looking seriously at the Javron Super Cub as an alternative, but would gladly wait for a Van's rendition if I knew for sure it was at least on the drawing board. Anybody out there think this will happen in the not to distant future?
 
“Anybody out there think this will happen in the not to distant future?”

Well.....that depends on your age, and what you consider “not to distant”.... If I recall correctly, the prototype RV-14 debuted at Airventure 2012 (looking at my logbook, I flew it shortly after that in Oregon, so I think that’s right). You can figure out a way to search for when the first customer completed airplane flew, and that will give you some idea of the lead time from prototype to product.

I have zero knowledge of whether or not Van’s has anything in work, but if they did, and they announced it for Christmas, well....now you have a timeframe. The next question is “how old are you, and how long do you expect to be flying?”

These and other important considerations when looking for a kit plane will be covered in a talk I’m giving during EAA’s (virtual) Homebuilder’s Week in late January!

Paul
 
SNIP...

The next question is “how old are you, and how long do you expect to be flying?”

Paul

Paul - a little harsh.

A better question for us seasoned builders would be “these are 30 to 50 year planes, who will get it after you are done flying?”.

My son and son-in-law are both Navy pilots so for me at least, this is question is already answered.

Carl
 
First customer RV-14 flight

You can figure out a way to search for when the first customer completed airplane flew, and that will give you some idea of the lead time from prototype to product.

We were just looking at this the other day, I believe the first customer flight was in early 2016. So roughly 3.5 years after the aircraft's debut.

Hard to believe the RV-14 has been around that long actually, it still seems "new"!
 
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https://vashonaircraft.com/ranger-r7-specs.php

Pretty close, but nothing compares to a real PA-18 Super Cub.

George

If it were a taildragger I'd seriously consider buying it, but not as it is currently.
Plus there aren't enough out there to know how safe and reliable it really is. Now if they told me that if that front wheel ever falls off during off airport operations it would all be covered by a factory insurance, then that would be a game changer.
 
Some of us have been waiting anxiously for a Van's high wing bush plane. I was hoping that it would be my next project, but I don't see anything on the horizon. I am looking seriously at the Javron Super Cub as an alternative, but would gladly wait for a Van's rendition if I knew for sure it was at least on the drawing board. Anybody out there think this will happen in the not to distant future?

That Javron Cub looks very nice but I don't have the abilities to build so I have to buy one already built. I'll wait for you to build yours, use it a while, then want to move on to your next build :D
 
Some of us have been waiting anxiously for a Van's high wing bush plane. I was hoping that it would be my next project, but I don't see anything on the horizon. I am looking seriously at the Javron Super Cub as an alternative, but would gladly wait for a Van's rendition if I knew for sure it was at least on the drawing board. Anybody out there think this will happen in the not to distant future?

I personally doubt Vans will ever put out a high wing bush plane but I have been wrong before, just ask my wife. Adding another model type, especially one that is not in the family of current product type, will greatly stretch their manufacturing, inventory, and support staff abilities. Vans is very good at not just willy-nilly adding new models, unlike many of the other “Kit” companies that are searching/exploring for their market niche. Vans already has theirs. Vans will definitely do lots of home work to insure success.

If they did start another product line I think it may come at the expense of dropping one or two of their current models just to help them with the logistics.

Maybe the logistics can be overcome with still using parts from current models. Maybe a -9 or -10 wing with -8 tails on a new fuselage that uses -7 FWF. But my idea of a proper Super Cub is wing and fuselage are fabric covered and I don’t believe Van would ever branch into fabric.

I hope the Vans employees enjoy reading these threads as I always love reading article’s theorizing what my company/industry is working on in our new product development.
 
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The various Bearhawk models are fabric fuselage and aluminum wing.

Aluminum and aluminum would be different......
 
I have a hangar neighbor with an Oshkosh workmanship awarded Javron cub with XO-370 (200hp) and Catto prop. It is an amazing airplane. Great flyer with phenomenal performance. Full G3X Touch with autopilot and all the options. It smokes my 200hp constant-speed prop Husky in the climb. No so much in the cruise (prop differences). On take off I can hold the stick back in my belly and firewall it and it jumps off the ground (at 6,000' density altitude). This Javron is also faster than any Super Cub I have flown with the same control harmony that has endeared the type from the 1940's through today. He's got it up for sale so I am trying to get a few more flights in it before it's gone.
 
".... I am looking seriously at the Javron Super Cub as an alternative, but would gladly wait for a Van's rendition if I knew for sure it was at least on the drawing board. ...."

Another data point listing right-now-demand for a 'RV Super Cub'. CC models were the second largest pie slice in this 12/9/2020 article which had a section on what was completed in 2019. Jump straight to the pie chart.

(Re: completions in 2019).

“As one would expect, Van’s Aircraft led the way: 199 of the new aircraft were RVs. The RV-7 took the lead, with 51 examples. Second place was a surprise—in more ways than one.
 CubCrafters...

...it’s interesting when you consider that the Carbon Cub kit costs about twice that of a quickbuild RV-7."


Demand?

Yup.

Who would build an RV Super Cub?

I would.​
 
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I'm build a Carbon Cub now and the kit is just amazing. They aren't kidding when they say "everything" is included in the kit, they even send you storage bins with all the hardware pre-organized with easy re-order QR codes.
 
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There are several modern Cubs on the market today. I'm particularly in love with the Zlin Savage, which uses a 100hp Rotax 912.
But I think Vans values aluminum construction, and we may never get the chance to see a Van's Cub.
 
Highlander.jpgIMG_5040.jpgIMG_2756.jpgThere are several modern Cubs on the market today. I'm particularly in love with the Zlin Savage, which uses a 100hp Rotax 912.
But I think Vans values aluminum construction, and we may never get the chance to see a Van's Cub.
I am also waiting on the RV15 if the kit is available as a TW. I built a Carbon Cub last year to replace my Highlander. The Highlander was fun but the Carbon Cub EX3 is in another league. The kit was very complete and really an easy build. You'll spend more time covering and painting than anything else. The good news is it fits in a 40x40 hangar on PK Floats with my 10.
 
Your going to love it
I went and did the TacAero back country course (using their FX3) ... so much fun ... now if it would stop raining for 5 minutes here maybe I could finish flying off my 40, only 8 hours to go!
 
I went and did the TacAero back country course (using their FX3) ... so much fun ... now if it would stop raining for 5 minutes here maybe I could finish flying off my 40, only 8 hours to go!
Just curious - did you have the option of completing the task cards (25 hours) as opposed to the straight 40 hours ?
 
I did the task cards on the Carbon Cub EX3 build. Cub Crafters has an excellent POH on the FX3 which is essentially the same as the EX3. I finished in approx 25 hours. That said the Cub is a pretty simple straight forward airplane. I put it back in Phase 1 when I installed the PK 2050 amphibious floats.

Gary
 
Some of us have been waiting anxiously for a Van's high wing bush plane. I was hoping that it would be my next project, but I don't see anything on the horizon. I am looking seriously at the Javron Super Cub as an alternative, but would gladly wait for a Van's rendition if I knew for sure it was at least on the drawing board. Anybody out there think this will happen in the not to distant future?
From your signature, I see you built your Javron Cub. How is it? I have an RV-3B and was looking at building one of these or the Bearhawk Patrol.
 
The Ran's S21 is an all metal bush plane and it's killing it in specs and sales.
I will say that I can't believe the speed of the Rans. One year at the Gila back country fly-in I kept seeing two targets on the ADS-B "in" display and they were catching the Cessna 180's and 182's in cruise and spankin' the Super Cub and it's modern competitive designs. I found the N-numbers on the flight line and they were both Rans S-21's. One with a Continental Titan X340 engine and one with a Rotax. That being said I really don't like the height of the horizontal stab in tailwheel configuration. The stab is down in the rocks and bushes compared to other tailwheel bush planes. So a trike gear might be a more appropriate setup in rough terrain with the caveat that the propeller tip clearance will be reduced. Also, the fuel system is a bit funky with the plastic wing tanks gravity feeding a plastic header tank under and behind the pilot's seat which in turn has an electric fuel pump that feeds the engine. Whether carbureted or injected engine. Lots of plastic and tubing and one electric fuel pump needing to go "whirr" at all times to keep the propeller from windmilling. Also since the design was done completely based on a Rotax when they caved and provided a Lycoming mount the engine has to be mounted right against he firewall so no room for magnetos, Pmags or other conventionally-placed equivalent so the engine must be fitted with a Lightspeed electronic crank-triggered ignition. I just mention that for the magneto luddites amongst us. But I have to say I am impressed with that performance that Randy gets out of this design. I have a hangar neighbor who has an S-21 and he loves it. For his mission profile of a 60 mile round trip every week it suits him better than the RV-6 he had before. He loved his RV-6 too it was just too fast to enjoy his short commute.
 
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Well I am glad I didn't wait on the RV-15 kit as it seems it is still at least a year away from production. Since I am not getting any younger, my son and I completed a Javron Super Cub a year ago, now with over 200 hrs on wheels/skis/floats. If Van's can bring the -15 to market I am sure it will be a terrific aircraft.IMG_20241207_171334.jpgIMG_20240930_102852.jpg
 
I love my RVs. I want a RV15. It will be the best airplane for my mission. Twice Weekly $100 hamburger, Camping flights to Idaho and Montana once a year. Oshkosh every year.
While ‘waiting’ for Vans, RV15 . I built a North Star super Cub in 2004. In 2009 I acquired a nice C180J. The RV15 may be too late for me to build and enjoy?
While Not waiting on the RV15. I have put 1350 hours on the C180J. 1055 hours on the Super Cub. I have a Javron wide body in my shop. Hope to fly it before I turn 80 in Late 2026.
 

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Also since the design was done completely based on a Rotax when they caved and provided a Lycoming mount the engine has to be mounted right against he firewall so no room for magnetos, Pmags or other conventionally-placed equivalent so the engine must be fitted with a Lightspeed electronic crank-triggered ignition. I just mention that for the magneto luddites amongst us.
My hangar neighbour has the Titan engine on his recently completed S-21 and it has dual P-mags. Runs great!