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Old 07-23-2021, 08:56 AM
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Default Instruments

Hi Jose, for instrumentation requirements in Australia, we're still required to have a direct reading compass in addition to the EFIS magnetometer. I haven't planned on installing a transponder initially because I live and fly in a rural area where there is no radar coverage. But if required I could add either a remote transponder with the Dynon, or a round head unit e.g. Trig with the round gauge panel. Same goes for ADS-B.

Per Australian regulations for private flying (flight and nav instruments):

Day VFR equipment CAR 174A, CAO 20.18 Appendix 1
The flight and navigational instruments required for flights under visual flight rules are:

an airspeed indicating system, and
an altimeter, with a readily adjustable pressure datum setting scale graduated in millibars, and
one of the following
a direct reading magnetic compass, or
a remote indicating compass and a standby direct reading magnetic compass, and
an accurate timepiece (clock or watch) indicating the time in hours, minutes and seconds (may be carried by pilot or crew).


The panel design will probably evolve a bit more while building the rest of the plane but I want to try and keep it simple! Thanks, Paul.
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Old 07-24-2021, 11:45 PM
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Default Direct reading Compass

Hi Paul,
My RV7 has a Dynon system and no direct reading compass.
Based on the below.

CAO 28.18 also says..
Other aircraft in private, aerial work or charter operations

3.4 Subject to paragraph 3A.3, an aircraft:

(a) engaged in a private, aerial work or charter operation; and

(b) not mentioned in paragraphs 3.1 to 3.3;

may only be operated under the V.F.R. if it is equipped with the following:

(c) the instruments specified in Appendix I;

(d) any other instruments and indicators specified in the aircraft's flight manual.

3A.3 Paragraph 3.4 does not apply to any other aircraft that operates under the V.F.R.:

(a) being an aircraft for which a current certificate of airworthiness as an LSA has been issued; or

(b) being an aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (g), (h) or (j) or an LSA for which an experimental certificate has been issued under paragraph 21.191 (k), of CASR 1998;

if equipment is carried that provides a pilot with the same information that would be obtained by compliance with the requirements of Appendix I for operations by day, or Appendix IV if approved for operations by night.

So legally have the “same information” as the list all in the Dynon setup.

Now is it sensible to not have a direct reading compass?
I fly VFR day only ……with the following
Dynon
My ipad OzRunways and google maps etc
backup ipad
Iphone
Often also my wifes Iphone.
I am comfortable without a direct reading wobbly compass.
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Old 07-25-2021, 01:25 AM
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Default Wings fitted (temporarily)

(thanks Rob for the clarication on carrying a compass)

Younger Me completed the RV wings in 1997 and since then I have been storing and carting them around each time we moved house (3 times). Yesterday we attached them to the fuselage for the first time ever! and fortunately everything fit. The rear spar attachment forks aligned without any interference and I admit I was a bit concerned about this being a potential problem.

I've pinned the spars in position with 3/16" garden stakes that made fitting quite easy.

There are some discrepancies on the plans for rivets and bolt holes around the gear socket area so I need to think over and work out what to do there. I also want to set up some sort of jig to drill the holes for the 5/16 bolts that hold the gear legs in the sockets. They legs are hardened spring steel and are not pre-drilled like the newer kits.

It was great being able to just pull the wings out of storage and fit them, like a quick build kit, it makes the project suddenly look like a plane that may fly someday!
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Old 07-30-2021, 11:59 PM
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Default Main gear alignment and fitting

I fitted and aligned the main gear brackets to the wing spar and used a pilot drill guide made from a piece of 3/16 choke cable sleeve per the manual, this worked quite well.

The main gear leg struts are very hard steel and I used cobalt drill bits and a makeshift jig to drill first a 1/8 pilot hole and then the 5/16 final hole. Each pilot hole took 45 minutes and the final hole 30 minutes using low RPM and plenty of cutting fluid. The photo below shows the drill jig and the "bullet" used to align the final hole with the pilot hole.

The welded brackets are not an exact fit to the fuselage sides and will require thick shims, next challenge is to find some 8-10mm alum bar or plate to fabricate some tapered shims to fill the gap between the weldment and the fuselage skin.

I'm glad this step is done, it is a critical area and the parts are expensive and in the case of the wing spars, essentially (for me) irreplaceable!
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:47 AM
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Default Wings On Wings Off

It's a canoe!
Wings On, to fit the main gear, Wings Off again to be able to continue with riveting on the central belly skins. Reminds me of "Wax On, Wax Off", the lesson is the same...

Not only did my wife make me an RV cake when it was my birthday, but she also helped to buck those rivets that I couldn't reach on my own (quite a lot), how lucky am I! We used just about every bucking bar to reach all the rivets.

The next step is to remove the canoe from the jig and start fitting the top skins. This jig previously helped to build a RV-4, now it's also done my -6A, though there's probably no further use for it. That's a pity, as the Oregon is now so well seasoned.

I also spent a bit of time away from the RV (still RV related) maintaining and fertilising the farm strip for spring. It is helping to keep me motivated.
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Old 09-15-2021, 02:45 PM
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thanks for the update Paul. Guess there are quite a few of us here following your progress, always refreshing to hear from your build!
And a lovely shot of that beautiful motivation strip

PS
Congrats to Rosie as well, hope she ain't stuck in there
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Old 10-29-2021, 03:10 AM
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'Morning Dan and fellow VAFers,

Today we lifted the fuselage canoe off of the jig and flipped it upright, it was a bit nerve wracking for fear of dropping or denting something but the engine crane helped a lot. The fuselage is not yet particularly heavy, but it is bulky and awkward to handle and we don't want any accidents! The population density where we live is 1 person per 100 hectares and there's not many people close by to come and give a hand, so we use what we have on the farm.

Next stage is to start work on the top side and interior structures. It now makes sense why the instructions said to leave off the forward bottom belly skin for the time being, since it will be much easier to stand inside for some of the work. Though reading ahead, it's not actually clear when it does get riveted on.

Happy building everyone...
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Old 10-30-2021, 08:29 AM
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Hi finished my 6A last year after a 22 year build !
Was it worth it ,you bet 😁😁😁.
Now flying and enjoying the fruits of my labour .
All the best

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Old 12-01-2021, 10:39 PM
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Default Topsides progress

I've made a bit more progress since the last update, but not exactly in a linear order.

There was a bit of work to do around the rear tail cone area to finish off some riveting that was obstructed when the fuselage was on the jig.

I then fitted the top rear skin and used threaded rod and plywood stiffeners to temporarily hold the bulkheads in position while back drilling through the pilot holes in the skeleton. I was able to reach all of the holes while standing outside, but this would not be possible for the next large top skin, which requires crawling inside the fuselage. The central section floor area was not yet complete, and would be required for support to get inside, so I shifted work to this area and got the baggage floors and seat pans done. I will need to come back and do some more work here to install the steps that are currently with the welding man who is fitting the reinforcement patches to prevent future cracking.

The top large fuselage skin F-674 (F-6112 because this is a sliding canopy) "is an important one because it is very visible and interfaces with the rear portion of the canopy." The first attempts to put this skin on were a struggle because it is large and unwieldy and slides all over the place and the straps kept slipping off. I ended up manually rolling a curve into it and securing with duct tape at an angle, which worked much better than straight straps.

Now the fun continues as I get to crawl around inside to back drill the holes for the skin rivets... and harvest starts today, so there is action outside in the paddock also!
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Old 12-02-2021, 02:08 AM
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Good to see ya making progress Paul. And ya don’t skip on the fitness either, good

Having spent quite a few hours in the tailcone section of my -4, my -6, or my friend’ -8, I’d try to install all stuff now, before going into top skin riveting euphoria… stuff as in static ports/lines, electrical conduits and/or wires (lighting, elec trim, camera supply, etc), elevator bellcrank/pushrod, eventual AP servo, top harness attach, snap bushings for the rudder cables, eventual manual trim cable.

Wishing you successful harvesting first
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