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November 12, 2018.   Issue #4,696.

Veterans Day (Observed)

The White House, November 11, 1919.

A year ago today our enemies laid down their arms in accordance with an armistice which rendered them impotent to renew hostilities, and gave to the world an assured opportunity to reconstruct its shattered order and to work out in peace a new and juster set of international relations. The soldiers and people of the European Allies had fought and endured for more than four years to uphold the barrier of civilization against the aggressions of armed force. We ourselves had been in the conflict something more than a year and a half.

With splendid forgetfulness of mere personal concerns, we remodeled our industries, concentrated our financial resources, increased our agricultural output, and assembled a great army, so that at the last our power was a decisive factor in the victory. We were able to bring the vast resources, material and moral, of a great and free people to the assistance of our associates in Europe who had suffered and sacrificed without limit in the cause for which we fought.

Out of this victory there arose new possibilities of political freedom and economic concert. The war showed us the strength of great nations acting together for high purposes, and the victory of arms foretells the enduring conquests which can be made in peace when nations act justly and in furtherance of the common interests of men.

To us in America the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country’s service, and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of nations.


[ed. In 1954, the word “Armistice” was replaced with “Veterans” as a way to formally include all Veterans of all American wars in the day of remembrance. dr]


Flight to Half Moon Bay ...kaweeka

I'm practicing video skills and thought I would try a tail mounted GoPro during a flight to Half Moon Bay.


Passing of RV6 pioneer

I want to let the RV community know about the passing of an early RV6 builder/pilot in the Colorado, Mas Yosida, N93MY.
Mas passed away quietly today after a lengthy illness and was known as one of the RV pioneers in the Denver area starting in the early 1990’s. Mas has a long history as an aviation enthusiast having owned a Luscome, C152, Mooney, Bonanza, but couldn’t say enough good things about flying his RV6 since 1994.

No plans yet for services but I can post the information here once I receive additional information. Our thoughts and prayers are with Mas’s family.


Wing Attach 5/8 Distance ...Zazoos RV-6

Working on the right wing. Per the plumb bob it is swept forward 1 inch.

The wing rear spar is fully seated and touching the fuselage. The fuselage rear spar forward piece of the fork is touching the wing rib.

I marked my 5/8 distance grid on both pieces. The inside 5/8 distance on the fuselage is measured from where the two forks mate an become a solid spar.
The inside 5/8 on the wing rear spar is measured from the root rib flange.

1. Since the both spars obviously continue in there respective directions can the inside 5/8 distance be somewhat ignored? Otherwise as you can see in my grid layout I really do not have the room to remove any materials (especially on the wing rear spar).
2. If I'm correct that the inside edge distance can be ignored, is there a good ratio as to how much material to remove to get close to a 1 inch movement at the wing tip?


Newbie Here ...Mike Singer

Hi All,
I am new to the build scene and have some questions that might sound dumb... I am very interested in building a plane but it all seems a bit overwhelming. I ordered the toolbox kit to see what skills are required to assemble something small before investing a considerable amount of time and $$. The kit has a few terms I am unfamiliar with. Is there anything in writing or videos that someone can refer to while learning the skills needed to complete a build. Cleco, Deburr, Dimple, are just a few that I spent some time researching but couldn't get clear answers on.


Paint Update ...bkervaski


Would you fly your RV to Russia? ...Vlad 9A

For adventurous types a question here. Would you like to fly your RV to Russia? A couple of my friends are interesting to visit the western neighbor with their RVs. I made a Day VFR trip from Alaska to Russia two years ago it was a challenge but only first time. Now I am planning another trip and would appreciate an escort.

I am making a short poll here. Take a look make a click. Elaborate if you wish


Status #5 ...romanov pics


TS Flightlines Fuel Lines installed ...mfleming

My TS Flightlines fuel line look great

I fit the wing tank fuel lines today and I'm really happy. Tom does a great job of working with you to get the perfect fit.

All the fuel lines connected to the pump and Andair valve are TS Flightlines. The discharge line can be seen snaking underneath the pump to the firewall.


How to polish exhaust ...wfinnell

I would like to polish my exhaust pipes like the ones in the Kitplanes link below. I remember someone saying something about using the back of emery cloth, or something like that... at least I think I do.

My question, do you polish exhaust pipes in the normal way, or is there a special trick.

I know, I know, this is considered a waste of time by many, but I enjoy polishing metal.


Personal IFR Limts ...jpowell13 PIREP

Flew 5 practice approaches in my 6A today in IFR

This thread is really good for sharing IFR experience. Brad said he flies practice approaches in actual IFR in his 6A if it's allowed by his personal minimums.

My personal minimums are higher than his, so, it's taken a long time for the stars to align, but I did it today.

I needed 6 approaches and a hold, and me and the plane were ready. It was low IFR this morning, with a VFR legal alternate within about 100 miles. By 2pm the ceiling had lifted to about 1000'. It was a solid overcast. This seemed like conditions I could safely deal with so I filed "local IFR" at BTR and set out.

When I took off it was about 3pm, and the sky seemed to be clearing. I was actually afraid that I might not be able to log the approaches, but by the time I got "on top" I saw no holes in the overcast. I hand flew 3 ILS's while I was fresh and then let the autopilot and 400W take over.

After the forth approach, I noticed I was breaking out at about 500', and the light was dimming surprisingly fast. I began to get that feeling you've heard about. You know, "I wish I was down there and not up here." So, I informed approach that I'd be landing after the 5th approach.

By the time I got back below that layer, the runway lights were on, and I think I could have legitimately logged a night landing.

I'd have been a lot safer taking off at noon even though the ceiling was a little lower then. Departing late in the day in late fall just doesn't leave enough daylight for going to an alternate if you have to.

That's the point of my newly added minimum requirement. "Have enough daylight to get to the alternate and make an approach and landing."



Status Report 7A ...jcarne

Well I have changed gears a bit but I'm still getting things done. I decided it was time to do some things in the garage pertaining to the flaps and ailerons since winter is approaching and I can work on those in the house. But first...  My first RV grin! I had to drill some holes on the front deck so I thought why not


Gel-filled Mount Update ...DanH

Quick follow up...

The gel-filled inserts probably failed due to overload, a case of excessive deflection of the mounts due to load and age. Sag in shear allows the middle of the gel bag to get pinched against the ID of the inboard steel rings molded into the doughnuts, and when that happens, compression or tension displacement would tend to peel back the ends of the rubber bag.

I suspect the Lord J-9613-40 mounts seen here are just too soft for a 390 with a metal Hartzell on a sport plane, the result being a lot of sag in only 800 hours. Examine application listings which include Vans, and you'll see the same isolator spec'ed for a 320 with a Catto, and a 360 angle valve with a metal BA. The engine difference is as much as 50 lbs, and the prop difference might add 50 more. The prop center of mass is roughly 28 inches forward of a set of mounts spaced 10 vertically inches apart, so there is a force multiplier too.

The fun starts when trying to select an isolator with slightly increased capacity. None of the three aviation isolator manufacturers publish aviation mount catalogs with technical data, notably shear and compression ratings (lbs per inch). They do publish good data catalogs for hundreds and hundreds of industrial isolators, for every imaginable application except aviation mounts. Go figure.

Lord has the data, but the only way to get it is to identify a particular isolator part number, then ask someone in product support. They won't recommend a specific mount, but will shotgun a few suggestions and state the stiffness values when asked. There is no practical way for a customer to simply select an isolator from a list, based on engineering values.  ...


Panel Rendering ...mountainride looking for input

Panel Renderings Update (Later) ...mountainride

Thank you both for the input. I was able to compress the stack and get the g5 with 15mm clearance at the top. I am worried the switches won't have enough support between the 625. E, I can't tell you how helpful your blog has been.


RV-7A Rebuild ...Europe

Hello VAF,

As most of you know, I am currently building my RV-7 (RV7ForMe Build Log) and I have slowly been working on my wings. But I have not posted much of an update since the summer. There is a reason for this.

A buddy of mine has purchased a about to be finished RV-7A. Meaning, the builder wanted to sell before he finished the aircraft. Because of the 51% rule the builder finished the kit with my buddies wishes in terms of avionics and it all was well until first flight. I am not interested in talking about why this was a good or a bad decision. I am just filling you guys in as to why the current owner doesn't have any building experience.

On first flight there was a problem that caused an engine stoppage. A forced landing on a field caused the dreaded flip of the airplane after the nose gear dug in... Yes there was the anti splat mod but the gear just bent at a different location with the same result. The good news is nobody was hurt.

The poor guy wants nothing more than to fix his new plane but couldn't find anyone who had time to do it. So he decided to tackle this himself. The problem is that as all of you fellow builders know. There is steep learning curve for all of us learning the techniques. And this is where I come in. Not sure how this came about but I was asked to assist and most importantly teach him a little bit what I have learned. Yes, I know I don't have all the skills required here either. I am just building wings but I am sure we can figure this out with enough patience and research.

So I have moved my entire treasury of tools to his shop and we have started to learn how to shoot and buck rivets, how to use a squeezer, how to deburr, how to drill, dimple and so on and so forth... Not sure if I just happen to be a good teacher or he just happens to be a natural but he is very talented and is highly motivated!

I will be semi documenting these repairs here as I thought this might be interesting to some of you as well. Let me know...?

This also means that I will stopping building my own wings for a few months because I simply don't have the time to build at 2 places. I see this as an opportunity to learn a few things for my own airplane and I am still in college and don't have the money for the Fuselage/engine etc anyway.

VAF dues paid until 10/2019
RV7 - Empennage 95% done
RV7 - Wings Started...


TeenFlight PIREP ...greghughespdx

"The TeenFlight program is alive and well, and various similar programs now exist all over the world! At the original Portland TeenFlight, we just sold the 5th TeenFlight RV12, while TeenFlight 6 and TeenFlight 7 are both currently under construction."


Order Your Van's Aircraft 2019 Calendars.....$5 (includes S/H)

...(25) calendars will be randomly inserted with what the mothership is calling a 'Golden Ticket'.  Think Willy Wonka...


Mothership Job Openings

  • Assembly Job Description
  • Assembly Lead Job Description
  • Facility/Industrial Equipment Maintenance


How to Minimize the Chance You Could be Dealing with a Scammer

...when using the classifieds.


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VAF Calendar ...upcoming Events for the Next 60 Day(s)

12-08-2018: Abilene,TX~EAA 471~Breakfast, EAA 471 Breakfast~Abilene TX

RV-Super Cub? ...making a case for one.
Would you build one? 
Let me know.  I'll add your comments to the end of the document.  Sales pitch document updated 11/6/18. 

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 Added 11/5  "... If Van's did a high-wing STOL-ish airplane.. I'd have real trouble resisting it.” -- Doug Cronkhite. RV-8 N188LC


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