FAA policy is no. For multiple partners, they have to decide on the one person who applies. Certificate is not transferable. If holder dies, moves away, etc., another one for that aircraft will not be issued.Question about the repairman certificate. Can more than one repairman certificate be issued per airframe? As in a co-ownership situation?
While I know the answer, I have never understood any rationale for not allowing build-partners to both apply for the certificate. Mel?What Bob says!
It's the Federal Gubermint! Rationale is not applicable!While I know the answer, I have never understood any rationale for not allowing build-partners to both apply for the certificate. Mel?
Thx Mel -The 51% requirement is defined by the "Amateur-Built Fabrication and Assembly Checklist (2011) Fixed Wing" below:
The FAA goes through the list with the kit manufacturer to determine eligibility to being listed as an "approved kit". If the kit is on the approved list, and the builder has not enlisted any "paid assistance", and has made no modifications that would alter the build in a way to shortcut the plans, then the list is not needed. It's up to the inspector to determine if the form is needed at the time of certification.Thx Mel -
So, I assume from this check list, that the kit manufacturer, Vans in this case, fills out the check list to determine how far they can go with a kit, like a QB?
Is all of this self governed or does the FAA do any due diligence in some form or fashion?
I ask because I never did any check list, nor did my DAR to my knowledge, or did he?
There was one exception granted for the one repairmans certificate. I believe it was a husband and wife team who each built a Christen Eagle. The husband passed away and the wife eventually got a repairmans certificate for the husbands airplane.
This was probably 20 plus years ago.
The repairmans certificate is much more closely monitored than it used to be. In 2015 the DAR forwarded the paperwork but I had to make a personal appearance at the FSDO office.
I’ve told this before, but: In 2011 I appeared at the FSDO for my Repairman certificate - and found myself face to face with my DAR! He had just recently been hired. We just shot the breeze while his mentor typed up the paperwork.Same for me in 2016, in person appearance at the Lubbock FSDO with all my supporting paperwork.
Bingo!Despite all the stacks of rules , official kit approval lists, and extensive check lists….. are we any closer to determining when the “major portion” was accomplished by the builder for their “education and recreation”? Me thinks no so much….. ultimately it is a pretty subjective determination. Placing objective criteria on inherently subjective processes does not turn a subjective question into an objective one. If you built the major portion, you know it, and can back it up with all the stories, scars, and plans with coffee stains to prove it. I would bet that most DARs know if you are the primary builder within about 10 min, after a quick look at the shop, and some basic conversation - before seeing any of the paperwork.
True. They worked together as a husband and wife team to build "his and hers" matching airplanes. Unfortunately, the husband contracted cancer and passed away shortly after the airplanes were finished. He had received the repairman certificate for his airplane, and she for hers. The FAA granted her a repairman certificate for his airplane after looking over the extensive build logs showing that they were both equally involved in each others airplane.There was one exception granted for the one repairmans certificate. I believe it was a husband and wife team who each built a Christen Eagle. The husband passed away and the wife eventually got a repairmans certificate for the husbands airplane.
This was probably 20 plus years ago.
The repairmans certificate is much more closely monitored than it used to be. In 2015 the DAR forwarded the paperwork but I had to make a personal appearance at the FSDO office.