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Old 09-16-2021, 11:33 PM
njherr njherr is offline
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Default About to pull the trigger

Hey Everyone,

So I've convinced the wife it would be a good idea for us to build a -10. Perhaps not the biggest hurdle in the process of building one, but probably up there! However, I'm in the military and am scheduled to move down to Oklahoma this coming spring. As such, given the 6 mo lead time for the Empennage Kit on the Van's website, we probably won't place the order for a few months so that we have a month or so to get settled in the new place before the kit arrives.

That being said, probably going to buy the practice kits soon, just so we can practice our riveting skills between now and then. Any other tasks or activities that would be useful to take care of in the mean time (also considering that we'll be packing everything up and moving in about 6 months)?

I realize it's a bit early to be worrying about some of these things, but I'm very interested in adding the Show Planes' cowling and composite tailcone skin. Looking at the forums and other videos online, I can find a reasonable number of examples of the cowling, but other than N104AL I haven't seen the composite tailcone mod on a completed or in-progress aircraft. Curious of anyone has any experience/thoughts/insight on the composite tailcone. I realize it is a bit superfluous, and I love the -10 as is, but to my eye that slightly adjusted profile really appeals to me.

Anyways, thanks for any input you may have to the above questions/considerations.

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Old 09-16-2021, 11:44 PM
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Hi Nick - welcome to VAF! You might want to place the order now and then when the time comes you can just delay shipment. Talk to the folks at Van's - they are very easy to work with.
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Old 09-17-2021, 04:23 AM
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Welcome Nick

I think what youíll find is that there are tons of mods that you can implement, and every builder is a bit different as far as what they perceive to be worth the extra cost and effort. I agree with you that the composite on the back looks nice. I donít remember it being popular. Same with the fiberglass wing root covers. Theyíre out there but not a ton of takers.

But at the end of the day, build the plane you want. IMO, thatís the biggest benefit of doing this. Depending on where you areÖ I would recommend AC. Itís my biggest regret. Itís somewhat tolerable, but my trips would be so much more enjoyable if I had AC anytime OAT was 80 or higher. That cockpit is a big fish bubble and while many taxi with their doors open, I donít recommend it.

My $0.02 your mileage may varyÖ
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Old 09-17-2021, 07:10 AM
RV10Pilot RV10Pilot is offline
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Location: Medford, NJ USA
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The RV10 is a fantastic airplane built per the plans. Think hard about all the modifications you what to implement. With very few exceptions, every change adds time and $$$ to the build. That being said, if I were to build another 10 I would implement 90% of the modifications I made to my current plane.

While you are waiting for your tail kit, working on a practice kit is a great idea. If you have the time, build the practice kit, then drill out all the rivets, and put it back together. Becoming an expert at removing a rivet is almost as important and being an expert at setting a rivet.

Consider attending a Builders Assist Class. I know Synergy, EAA and others have them. In addition to learning the build techniques you will have the opportunity to use lots of different tools so you can decide which tools are right for you. Local EAA chapters also provide support, but since you will be relocating that may not be that useful now, but it will be at your next duty station.
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Old 09-17-2021, 08:07 AM
David Paule David Paule is offline
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The composite tailcone skin might reduce the torsional stiffness of the tailcone, since fiberglass has a significantly lower modulus of elasticity than aluminum. If so, and that depends on the design of it, at least one flutter mode might occur at a lower airspeed than stock.

It's worth asking them about torsional stiffness and the flutter testing that they did.

Otherwise, I'd avoid that particular product.

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Old 09-17-2021, 09:23 AM
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If the composite skins are lighter, it is the wrong way to go. The 10 is nose heavy and the battery is in the tailcone for a reason.

Put all your electronic boxes behind the baggage compartment, oxygen bottle and the dog and cat back there and you will be happier.
Bruce Patton
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Old 09-17-2021, 11:16 AM
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Look for an EAA sheet metal class and take it before you start. Worth every penny.
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Old 09-20-2021, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nohoflyer View Post
Look for an EAA sheet metal class and take it before you start. Worth every penny.
Couldn't agree more. I completed it back in May of this year at EAA HQ in Oshkosh. The class was fantastic with a great instructor and it gave me a good overview of the kind of tools I would want to get and the workshop setup. The mini project we completed during the class was more complex than the Van's toolbox practice kit.
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Old 09-20-2021, 07:39 AM
KatanaPilot KatanaPilot is offline
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I took both the EAA class and the one at Synergy Air (Eugene). I learned a lot more at the Synergy Air class - much better student to instructor ratio and much better tools to work with.

If you take the one at Synergy Air South, there are three RV-10ís currently under construction in the main hangar and a couple more at the auxiliary hangar. Doubtful you will see any at the EAA class.
Krea Ellis

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Old 09-21-2021, 02:57 PM
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Default crack open the wallet

the hardest part is cracking open the wallet, the rest is easy, i have built 2-10's, 1-6, 1-8A, 1-14A and now a 7A. enjoy
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