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Old 09-26-2023, 02:10 PM
bobnoffs bobnoffs is offline
 
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i am going to balance my prop very soon. is the spinner part of the balancing?
what is the usual procedure? i can easily do this , i just don't know if it is needed. thanks.
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Old 09-26-2023, 04:54 PM
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From your signature block, it's unclear if you're flying an RV-12 or if you're talking about something else. Someone else may have to chime in if you're talking about Rotax engines.

Most people with Lycomings balance with the spinner on by weighing bolts and washers and installing them through the holes in the starter flywheel. In one instance, I've seen a builder fine tune the balancing results by putting slightly longer screws in specific spinner attach points.
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Old 09-26-2023, 09:18 PM
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I’ll take a crack at it…
When doing a prop balance what we are actually doing is balancing the “rotating assembly”. Prop, spinner, spinner bulkheads and even the crankshaft to a lesser degree. So yes, include the spinner. If you have the proper equipment but haven’t done this before, try to get someone with experience to help out. Prop balancing is IMO a combination of science and art, some peeps are really good at it and some just make things worse. Cheers
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Old 09-26-2023, 10:10 PM
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I derived my computations for balancing from this document and the tips in the DynaVibe instructions. This document shows how to plot the solution after one trial run.

https://d1wqtxts1xzle7.cloudfront.ne...OHF5GGSLRBV4ZA
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The link is not working for me.
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Old 09-27-2023, 06:08 AM
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ok, thanks. probably the dynavibe had the answer to my question.
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Old 09-27-2023, 06:50 AM
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Try this one:
https://www.bksv.com/media/doc/bo0276.pdf

It is "Static and Dynamic Balancing of Rigid Rotors" from Bruel & Kjaer back when we had an HP41C handheld calculator as the best thing going.

It discussed using the initial and trial runs to derive the solution. For our Lycomings, the solution can be vector split between the two closest bolt positions.

I wrote a perl program to do the math. It could be done in excel just as easily, or graphed on paper as the document shows.
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