Factory Info: Parts with Laser Cut Holes and Potential for Cracks

[N82VM]

Originally Posted by airguy

In that case, the part should be rejected, I don't think anyone here would argue with that. I know that part is not going on my airplane.

But to demonstrate the fuzziness of the line - is that the naked eyeball of a college-age fighter pilot with exquisite 20/10 vision? Or the naked eyeball of a 53 year old that wears glasses for driving? With or without glasses? What about after Lasik? What kind of lighting do we have for the examination? Natural sunlight or artificial? LED or incandescent?

No matter how fine the line we try to describe - there will always be those that that will try to delve deeper into the details - we won't ever be able to stop that. What I'm saying we need is very similar to the Vne research done by Vans. "This is Vne, don't exceed it." - quite simple, no wiggle room. Those that want to nitpick with arguments about TAS/IAS or temperature or pressure or humidity levels or G-loads - they may find themselves arguing the fine lines in an NTSB report, but that is not Vans problem.

Same here - I would like to see something along the lines of "not visible to the naked eye" or "not visible under 10x magnification" and then Vans can simply sit back and ignore all the "fuzzy line" people arguing about the clarity of that research. If you don't like how fuzzy the line is, then don't approach it. That person can either inspect all their parts with an electron microscope and reject 90% of them, or find another (hopefully less worrisome) hobby.

And maybe the answer is that the red/yellow/blue/green definition IS that line - and we just have to learn to shut up and accept it, or walk away. I won't accept blue, I choose to replace them even if it's at my expense, that's the closest I choose to come to that line. My personal choice.

Mine are all cracked so should be rejected.
Back to the beginning, Vans provided parts that are resulting in a high rejection rate. Sounds like they are not produced to expected standards. Which means I did not receive what I expected. Which is why they should be replaced at Van's expense regardless of the "loads" or what ever the color wheel says. A part is a part, and not to standards.

[ccarlson]

Originally Posted by dstates

Some of us just want to hear any info we can get. My goal is not to be in one camp or the other. I just want to keep building the plane I ordered and not have to pay for it a second time. Right now I just want to hear anything official (from Vans) or unofficial (so and so just got parts delivered, or whatever).

1000000%

I’m not in a camp, unless “I want to hear something definitive from Van’s” is one of the camps.

[airguy]

Originally Posted by ccarlson

I’m not in a camp, unless “I want to hear something definitive from Van’s” is one of the camps.

I have a feeling that this whole issue is being kept quiet at the moment from Vans due to lawyers and insurance claims, and we won't get anything definitive until they are done pushing paper.

[Brantel]

Originally Posted by airguy

I have a feeling that this whole issue is being kept quiet at the moment from Vans due to lawyers and insurance claims, and we won't get anything definitive until they are done pushing paper.

This has to be the only logical explanation for the total radio silence.

[mtebbe]

Instead of slamming the phone and email lines at Vans, let's randomly "spam" the company with gift/cheese/meat baskets, pizzas for the team, donuts, etc... anything to show our support. From my personal experience visiting them, and interfacing with the company, they are a very tight-knit group. They truly do deeply care about their customer-base and I'm sure the team is/was as devastated as you/we were to hear about the LCP situation.

You've (collectively) said that you're not worried about spending a little more to get "LCP-Free". Put a little money where the mouth is and show some support to the company producing your replacement parts. Remember, we're all human and trying to survive this crazy ride of life, together.

[Brantel]

This was posted earlier today. Maybe this thing is about to move off bottom dead center?

[Sallcock]

I've just spoken with Vans re the current situation (I have a 10 QB for wings and fuse plus the finish kit paid for and was meant to have been delivered in September).

I was told that there's going to be an announcement in the next week as they've been gathering up the stats for the various orders that they have for both parts and QB's.

So hopefully we should hear something in the next 8 days.

Fingers crossed

[TX_Flyer]

For what it is worth, some parts I had ordered just prior to the LCP announcement shipped today. I was rebuilding my elevators anyway and all LCP had been held on backorder prior to today, so maybe there is light at the end of the tunnel.

[DeltaRomeo]

10/27/2023 1900Z
https://www.vansaircraft.com/2023/10...k-vangrunsven/

Temporarily closing this thread so folks can have time to watch the video, read the text, and reflect on this. Will re-open over the weekend. v/r,dr

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