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Old 03-08-2022, 07:17 PM
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The FAA has just issued a memo concerning instrument flight tests and instrument proficiency checks. They have retracted previous language and interpretations requiring "2 different non-precision approaches using 2 different navigation systems". The new language drops the reference to navigation systems, it is now just "2 different non-precision approaches". This clarifies that GPS-only aircraft may be used for flight tests and IPCs.
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Old 03-08-2022, 07:28 PM
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Do you have a link to the memo? I'm not finding it.

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Old 03-08-2022, 09:54 PM
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I read that memo differently. It doesn't alter the phrase at all, it clarifies prior misinterpretations.

"...test an applicant on three different kinds of approaches, consisting of one precision approach and two non-precision approaches, which must use two different kinds of navigational aids."

Does a GPS-only aircraft use "two different kinds of navigational aids?" I actually don't know, but if so, yay!
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I read that memo differently. It doesn't alter the phrase at all, it clarifies prior misinterpretations.

"...test an applicant on three different kinds of approaches, consisting of one precision approach and two non-precision approaches, which must use two different kinds of navigational aids."

Does a GPS-only aircraft use "two different kinds of navigational aids?" I actually don't know, but if so, yay!
Read it again, carefully. The above quote is from the ACS. The memo notes that this phrase is not consistent with the latest interpretation of the fars, which require multiple different approaches but do not require different nav aides.
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Read it again, carefully. The above quote is from the ACS. The memo notes that this phrase is not consistent with the latest interpretation of the fars, which require multiple different approaches but do not require different nav aides.
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The FAA has just issued a memo concerning instrument flight tests and instrument proficiency checks. They have retracted previous language and interpretations requiring "2 different non-precision approaches using 2 different navigation systems". The new language drops the reference to navigation systems, it is now just "2 different non-precision approaches". This clarifies that GPS-only aircraft may be used for flight tests and IPCs.
Does that mean that they now accept an LPV as a precision approach? I always thought there position was it was not. Also, how do you get two different non-precision approaches via GPS.

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Old 03-09-2022, 09:52 AM
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Strange, I have a different interpretation than the posters above me.

To me, this is only applicable to the Section 61 .65(d)(2)(ii)(C) requirements, which is the cross country flight with 3 different approaches.

This doesn't change the practical test or what is considered precision/non-precision.
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Old 03-09-2022, 11:12 AM
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What is ACS?

What’s the original verbiage?

What’s the new verbiage?

How is an LPV not a precision approach? It has the same decision altitude as an ILS approach. ILS equipment at airports are out of service quite often. And when they are out of service they are out for weeks or months. I have yet to see or hear of gps satellites be out of service
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Old 03-09-2022, 11:23 AM
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LPV: technically an LPV does not quite meet the ‘precision approach’ standards. However, the current ACS already says that an LPV to minimums of 300’ or lower can be used in lieu of an ILS.

Different non precision approaches but all using gps: my interpretation is that the faa is preparing to allow LPV to 400’ min, LNAV to straight in min, LNAV to circle to land, as different kinds of approaches.

New verbage: not out yet. This memo directs some faa division to fix the ACS.

GPS perfect? I have experienced first a downgrade (LPV to LNAV), then a complete loss (big red X over the GTN) while doing a gps approach, so it can happen. Don’t get too complacent.

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