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I averted a catastrophe

LettersFromFlyoverCountry

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I have one of the early tailcones for my RV-12iS project, the one where the inspection hole for the fuel sump isn't already cut out. I'm not sure Van's plans even include the dimensions for cutting the hole out anymore. I couldn't find it in the online plan (and my plans are at the hangar right now as I write this so I can't look for them).

But it gives the location and dimension of the cutout. Might've even provided a template, IIRC . And I can't remember whether the cover was provided or I had to make one.

(Update: It was a template)

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But while the tailcone was off last winter and I waited for the avionics kit to show up, I made the cut, cleaned it up, added the nutplates for the inspection cover and buttoned everything up.

The avionics kit arrived in May and I've been working A LOT to get most of the wiring done so that I'd still have some summer heat left in which to do some window/canopy work. And a couple of weeks ago, my wife came to the hangar to help attach the tailcone permanently. I'd removed the inspection cover to give me a hand hold.

Yesterday afternoon, I was riveting the double line of rivets along the bottom of the fuselage/tailcone joint when I looked in and saw this:

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That's a nutplate DIRECTLY underneath the fuel line to the fuel pumps and just about touching it and there's no question that putting a screw in there would either puncture the fuel line immediately, or destroy it in the first few hours of flight.

It was also impossible to drill it out using conventional technique because punching the remaining 3-3.5 rivets out after breaking the head off would act like a spear into the fuel line.

I put a piece of scrap between the fuel line and the nutplate and drilled the #40 holes out to #30 instead while gripping the nutplate to prevent it from spinning.

I probably eventually would've discovered this before flight, but perhaps not before screwing the inspection cover in place.

For the heck of it, I looked at other inspection cover areas and found a SOMEWHAT similar arrangement at the inspection panel underneath the fuel tank. This one, of course, is precut and holes assigned for the nutplate.

The firewall fuel line is offset slightly from that nutplate, but still gives me a bit of pause.

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There's not much you can do there -- the location is very close to the bulkhead snap bushing -- and maybe it's no big deal. But it's close enough to make me think a little firesleeve and tie wrap wouldn't be a horrible idea. Also a very short screw in that location is a capital idea.
 
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A potential factor in this instance is that all of the bend diagrams for the aluminum fuel lines shows them as straight runs with linear bends.
In your case the line is clearly not straight where it is passing above the nut plate. This would make the line sag lower and closer to the nut plate than was intended.
 
Yes, I have found that when you're using coiled aluminum tube, you risk non-perfectly-straight lines.

Here's a better shot of that line. It doesn't seem particularly unusual. At least to me.

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But, yes, you can see the artifact of coiled tubing.

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Still, I think even with a laser-straight run there, it'd be a little close for (my) comfort. My EAA project log page (btw, that EAA log site is fantastic!) for the line installation at the time signaled concern to me.

Now, there was a change in the design of that line 4 or 5 years ago that routed that line more around the fuel valve and then curved back to the firewall and then under the fuel pumps. People who already had made that line had to install firesleeve and a clip to prevent chafing with the fuel valve assembly. Whether that routing made a difference downstream (or is it upstream), I don't know. I think I'd probably still be concerned about the nutplate but probably not as concerned.

I'd love to see a measurement from other "old tailcone" people.
 
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On a related note, the Facet fuel pump on the legacy RV-12 that my partner and I built over 10 years ago became noisy a few years back. I observed that the fuel line from the fuel tank to the Facet passed through one of the lightening holes on its way to the Facet, and it was making contact with the fuselage. I fixed that contact point by slightly bending the fuel line and wrapping it with a piece of good quality rubber fuel line where it passed through the lightening hole. That confirmed my belief that Facet pumps are not loud when they have fuel passing through them, and if they are “hammering” loudly it most likely is the fuel line touching the fuselage. If the original condition had been allowed to continue I could see the .020” T6 knife edge sawing its way through the soft aluminum fuel line resulting in a leak that could not be stopped until the fuel tank ran dry.
 
Here’s what that line looks like now. It bends far away from the shut-off valve. The fuselage is on its side in the photo.
 

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Bob: A couple of options to consider.

1: Coat a short screw with mold release, screw it in and then overcoat the nutplate and screw tip with sealant, until it almost touches the fuel line. Allow it to cure and then remove the screw. You now have a flexible cover over the end of the screw.

2. If you've got, or have access to a 3D printer, design a low profile cup that will cover the screw and nutplate. Print it, and then bond over the nutplate with some ScotchWeld or similar adhesive. We used hundreds of cups like this on the F-16, where it was possible for harnesses or flexlines to touch nutplates.
 
Yikes! Perfect timing!!

I too have an older emp and am working on an iS project. The pumps are plumbed but not yet torqued down. Hoping to get to the canopy/window before the weather cooled, I know I needed to get the tail cone built and installed. (Moved and lost parts until just recently, so the emp waited while the wings and fuse progressed.) So, today, I laid out the skins on the table to start. Taking a lunch break I read your post. Wow. I was aware of the need for the access hole and found it in the online plans (Section 38, Template on 38iS/u-25).
I like the idea of moving the nut plate. Think I need to call Van's though to see if I can shorten that fuel line .125 where it attaches to the banjo to gain some clearance from the skin.
THANKS for posting!
John S
 
Isn't the problem that the way you had the line installed is different from the KAI - hence the potential issue ?
 
moving the nutplate

I called Van's on this because I was thinking of moving the access panel for more clearance, thinking I could still access the drain with my hand. Got waved off on that! The access panel needs to be where it is called out to allow fuel sampling with the special cover with a hole in it (didn't realize they had a special cover with the hole (not thinking ahead, I guess)). So I'm ordering that cover F-01282A for the RV-12iS found on page 38iS/U-21. RV-12ULS has a different cover: F-1282B
Got the blessing on moving the nutplate aft. It will just leave one hole unfilled in the cover but not the skin cause I'm not drilling there.
 
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