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Old 08-18-2009, 04:46 PM
aeropunk aeropunk is offline
 
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I just happened to catch this post and I am sorry to see that we shipped you the incorrect rivet gun. I will get the model 270A (3X) gun out to you today and issue a call tag for UPS to pick up the 2X gun that was shipped in error.
Wow! That was sudden and unexpected! Thanks everyone for your input and thanks Michael for your generous offer. I will certainly take you up on it!

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Sorry for the hassle! I will call to confirm that you have seen this.
Believe me, it was no hassle at all -- mistakes happen! The only trouble was deciding whether or not to keep the 2X gun -- it's hard to give up something that cool when you're holding it in your hot little hands!

I certainly appreciate Brown Tool's great customer service, unbeatable prices and awesome products. This is going to be a fun journey!

Thanks again everybody.
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Old 08-18-2009, 05:30 PM
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Brain, you might consider keeping the Sioux 2X and purchasing a 3X. I have talked to a number of builders and it was recommended to me, to get both the 2x and 3X guns.

My wife will be my main riveting partner and a 2X will make life a bit easier on her, it is a bit easier to handle with the 3/32" rivets. I bought a new Sioux 3X gun during Brown Tool's recent "deal" and after talking to my wife, purchased the refurbished 2X. I am also expecting the 2 refurbished Sioux 1412 drill motors I ordered anyday now. Having two rivet guns and two drill motors will make building easier for me. The 2X gun arrived today and looks pratically new. Brown Tool is a great company to do business with and will get more of my business.

Brian you are building a $65,000 + airplane. If you can afford that, I don't think another rivet gun, which makes the build easier for you, will break the piggy bank. Just something to consider. YMMV.
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Old 08-18-2009, 06:46 PM
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Use the 3X and just turn down the air pressure for 3/32 rivets--I use about 30 psi for 3/32 rivets and about 40 for 1/8", but I have an Ingersoll Rand gun and what folks say is equal to a 3X is more like a 3 1/2X. I like having a gun that hits slowly because I think it gives me better control.

One tip, regardless of the gun: For me on 470 rivets, I had trouble keeping the rivet set on the rivet head with a 5 1/2" rivet set and ended up with smiles that I frowned at. Yes, I pressed hard on the rivet. Got a long rivet set, about 10 1/2" and it works well. I think the greater mass keeps it from bouncing off the rivet head.
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Old 08-18-2009, 09:54 PM
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Default I dont use my 2x

I have both a 2x and a 3x and dont even use the 2x. Like others have said, I just turn down the pressure on the 3x and achieve great results.

If you want a 2x I'll sell you mine.
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Old 08-19-2009, 01:49 AM
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One tip, regardless of the gun: For me on 470 rivets, I had trouble keeping the rivet set on the rivet head with a 5 1/2" rivet set and ended up with smiles that I frowned at. Yes, I pressed hard on the rivet. Got a long rivet set, about 10 1/2" and it works well. I think the greater mass keeps it from bouncing off the rivet head.
One thing that would help you out with the shorter rivet sets. If you are holding the gun solid against the rivet. A piece of fuel tank tape (almost like duct tape but is green in color) stuck to the end of the rivet set will act as a cushion and prevent the smiley effect. The tape will wear out after a certain number of rivets and you must change out the piece of tape. On Brown tools website they make a rubber (I'm not sure of the material) rivet set protector which accomplishes the same thing. The tape is just a cheaper way to do it. I use this method all the time for my significant other who is still learning to rivet. You would be surprised at how much it keeps from putting a smiley face on the rivet head. I can post pictures and also get you a part number for the tape if it sounds like something that would help. I am not sure of the part number as Eagle Fuel Cells sends an entire roll when you purchase a fuel bladder from them. I have done enough fuel bladders in the past years from Cessna 340's up through King Air's that I have about 6 rolls of the stuff and if you want one I can probably dig one up and send ya for free if it is something that you would like to try. Let me know if I can help.
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:06 PM
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Default Let's get this fight started again...

To figure out which I'll buy in Sioux and which I'll buy as a Taylor, riddle me this:

Let's say you owned both a 2x and a 3x of the same manufacturer. You are equally proficient with both. The majority of an RV-8 would be bucked with which gun (based on rivet size)? Or, is there too much preference involved to answer that question?

I did the EAA Sheetmetal class, which has 3x guns. The class was my first time bucking rivets, and I felt pretty comfortable with a 3x. Never used or held a 2x.
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Old 12-27-2020, 01:07 PM
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I have a 2X and a 3X. I use the 2X on the many -3 rivets and the 3X on the few -4 rivets. Mine aren't Sioux since my Sioux gun died early on. My 2X is an ACAT one from The Yard Store and it's very good.

If I could only have one gun, it would be a 3X, but I'd be needing to watch the air pressure closely. For -3 rivets it would take less pressure than any of my other air tools. As it is, I keep one air line on about 40 psi and both the 2X, the 3X guns and the two of the air drills are happy there.

The pneumatic squeezer and a couple other tools prefer 90-95 psi so that's the other air line.

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Old 12-27-2020, 03:31 PM
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I have both and prefer the 3x because it is easier for me to control. 2x hits faster and lighter and I don’t like it. Used 3x on most all of my RV-8.
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Old 12-27-2020, 05:39 PM
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I have both and prefer the 3x because it is easier for me to control. 2x hits faster and lighter and I don’t like it. Used 3x on most all of my RV-8.
I agree. I love my yardstore (or is it ATS) 3X gun. I have an older 2x, and I don't like it. Maybe I'll try somebody's newer 2x, but I prefer the 3x. I actually prefer the gun and tungsten bucking bar to the squeezer in most places! I keep the air at 90, and limit the air with one of those needle valve knobs on the inlet
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Old 05-19-2022, 05:28 PM
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i know this post is older but thought id chime in for others searching.

I invested in both a 2x and 3x gun. I use the 2x gun wherever i can. all the 3/32 stuff. its awesome. brand new sioux. the 3x is a second hand sioux...for larger stuff. the 2x gun is definitely better on the 3/32 rivets as have tried both and the 2x doesn't walk with the correct pressure (40 psi) and does no damage although im sure it would if you are not careful. I think having both is awesome....only afford one gun obviously you need a 3x....can afford two?...get a 2x and a 3x. Yard store often sells second hand ones like my 3x sioux. because it is used the teasing trigger is no where near as nice as my new 2x sioux but it smashes 1/8" rivets easily on 40 psi.
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