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Old 05-29-2021, 10:31 PM
skelrad skelrad is offline
 
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Default Space For Back Riveting

Before I modify the wrong work bench for a back rivet plate and kick myself later: I have no idea of the size of parts that can be back riveted and how much room is necessary. I have one permanent 2' deep bench that is up against a wall and one about the same depth that is open around all sides. I'd prefer to use the bench against the wall, but not sure if the wall will be a problem if there are big/awkward parts.

Will a bench against a wall make dealing with parts difficult, or are most parts that lend themselves to back riveting small enough that a 2' bench against the wall is ok? (building a 9)
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Old 05-29-2021, 11:06 PM
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You really don't have to modify anything, but if you insist on modifying a work bench, you will probably need more space than that back wall is going to allow.

My entire slow-build RV-8 was built with the same scrapped computer desktop and chunk of steel that sits just a little proud inside the cutout:



That way, I can back rivet anywhere I want to. Having the flexibility to come inside the house to do a little rivet smashing always comes in handy, but that's only because there's nobody else in the house to complain about the racket. Sometimes it pays to be single.
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Old 05-29-2021, 11:12 PM
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Default Did not modify bench

I didn't modify a bench to take the back riveting plate and just kept it loose so it can be located and rotated wherever it is needed at the time. Most of the back riveting is on the empennage and control surfaces for the wing and thereafter there is not much use for the plate, other than the possibility of doing the firewall that way if you want to.

You can create a level surface around the edge of the plate with several loose plywood blocks of the appropriate thickness, if desired.

I know other builders rebate a bench top to hold the plate; I did not and there hasn't been any disadvantage that I've encountered. Actually I prefer the flexibility of being able to move it around and also store it out of the way when it is not being used.
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Old 05-29-2021, 11:49 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like there’s no real reason to make anything all that permanent, so I’ll just leave the benches alone for now. This pondering is from the problem of having too much time on my hands while I wait for my tail kit will arrive!
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Old 05-30-2021, 05:56 AM
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I found a long piece of rolled steel at a local supplier ($10) and a couple pieces of carpet of equal thickness at Home Depot. Works great!

P.S. It was just a coincidence that the length of the steel matched the width of my bench!
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Old 05-30-2021, 06:28 AM
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I have a fairly large steel plate. Maybe 1x2 feet. The problem is its 1/4" thick, so flexes ever do slightly. Doesn't cause any issues with the plane, but the rivets don't drive very quickly. I'd like a smaller plate that's a bit thicker. Don't want it too heavy tomcat it's no longer mobile.
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Old 05-30-2021, 07:19 AM
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The platform with a cut out works pretty well. Mine is a section of 1/4" plywood about 2'X4'. Basically turns any surface into a back rivet plate. One piece of advise. Draw lines extending from the edges of the cut out to the edges of the platfom. Use them to identify the edge of the plate. Only takes one miss to teach that lesson. Not that I made that mistake.

Alternate back rivet method may be found on my blog, Kitplanes Tips.
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Old 05-30-2021, 11:09 AM
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I go a bit more "belt and suspenders". Just put the plate on the concrete floor of the garage and surround it as needed with scraps of 1/2" plywood. Arrange the wood depending on where you are riveting on the part.

This allows you to get right on top of the gun, and even use your head to hold up the opposite skin!

Yeah, you're on your knees for about ten minutes, but nothing beats a "rock solid" concrete floor for zero flex.

When you're done, just put the plate back in the drawer or cabinet.
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Old 05-30-2021, 02:13 PM
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I modified one of my benches to inset the plate. I have two plates that I made from some scrap 3/8" sheet. Both are about 20" long, one is maybe 8" wide and the other about 6". I found myself using the plate which was not inset into the bench more often than the other, due to the fact that It's much easier to move it around and orient it as necessary. Eventually I removed the one in the bench, and "flipped" the sacrificial surface of the bench over to make it a smooth again. I'm much happier with this setup, now I have two plates which I can use on my portable tables or on the fixed workbenches in the shop as needed.
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Old 05-30-2021, 02:21 PM
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What Larry said about the lines. You'd be surprised how helpful they are.

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