10/30/2015. Issue No. 3,979.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and
Installment #7: My IFR Checkride - Thanks and Misc. Thoughts
John McLaughlin photo pre-checkride.
The last part is where I get to
thank the folks who helped me get this rating. The following
daredevils outstanding Americans sat in the right
seat of various aircraft over the course of 18+ years while I
sloooooowly accumulated required hours staring at gauges with a bag
over my head. Thirty six flights, all but seven in the RV-6.
I took the checkride with 44 hours of hood time in the logbook.
Knowledge passed on from many of these gents courtesy experience
gained flying for the U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Marine Corp.,
Southwest Airlines, American Airlines and Delta Airlines.
Many sources...all top shelf.
Many others offered notes of encouragement in emails, PMs, phone
calls and in person over the years. Thank you for motivating
me to stay focused on a challenging goal - one that fought for
attention alongside raising a family and running a business.
I won't forget this experience, and
I'll pass this knowledge on the best I can. Spent Thursday
morning as a safety pilot for my friend Clayton while he logged .7
under the hood. See one, do one, teach one I think they say.
Roll call of thanks below...and then I'll shut up.
Buggered Rudder Skin, Cosmetic or...
Considerations with AoA
We needed a 4 place and didn't have time to build so the plan was
to sell the 7. My 14 year old made this. I don't think he wants me
to sell it.
Fall Foliage Pics ...DHRYCAUK
RV-3 Fastback Status Report ...mmcdonald
November Wallpaper Calendar
is Live ...Bill Goeken
Jerry will build your tanks....
Classic Aero Aviator II Seats for RV-8
10/29/2015. Issue No. 3,978.
Gary Platner having way too much maintenance fun (not).
An Unforeseen Journey Update ...Bill Boyd
I just made arrangements to purchase Todd's RV-10 kit in
Columbus, after flying up to look at it last evening. First-rate
workmanship- I just hope it's truly all there, as he purchased it
secondhand himself and it's been in storage awhile, and that it
contains no major flaws that my untrained and unfamiliar eye didn't
spot. It was almost eerie poking around in a canoe-stage fuselage
and inspecting unmounted control surfaces and wings; it transported
me back almost twenty years to my 6A build. What beautiful things
prepunched parts are!
Now as my new house and workshop near completion, I'm starting to
look for the best deal on a rental box truck with lift gate for the
six hour each-way moving adventure in the next few weeks. I'm
thinking ahead to the prudent steps I need to take once it's safely
home: inventory and parts sorting, a detailed look-over for hidden
damage and missing fasteners, perhaps a meticulous reading of the
plans and manual as if I were building the many sub assemblies that
are already finished on this kit, just to familiarize myself with
them and satisfy myself they were done right. Its nice to see
pro-seal under every tank rivet and know that the tanks passed the
leak test. Torque seal is in evidence on every nut that I saw
yesterday- the sign of a methodical builder.
It's too early to sweat engine and avionics; I have to buy a few
basic tools to replace what I lost in the fire, which was all of
them, and get ready to work with fiberglass again. This kit is so
far along in terms of sheet metal work, I doubt a pneumatic squeezer
or cleco tool would be worthwhile, nor even a DRDT dimpler. It feels
strange to consider buying so many specialty tools for so few
remaining steps... a machine counter sink for fifty remaining holes,
a c-frame dimpler for a hundred more dimples, etc. But if I need to
do an operation even once, I need the tool to do it right. Stein,
Avery and Cleveland are going to be glad to see me coming in the
Im curious what recommendations you'd offer to a guy who's bringing
an orphan project home and getting back in the saddle after so many
years of just flying and maintaining...
Door County Wisconsin ...Veetail88 fall foliage pic
Superior Air Parts introduces Bill Ross as VP Product Support
To Cover Work Bench With Carpet Or Not ...pros and cons.
[ed. And that shop is WAYYY too clean!!!
RV-8 Emp Stand Update ...goatflieg
After completing my empennage, I needed to modify the stand to
make room for the elevator horns... and I decided to upgrade it to
conventional gear status with a 3-point caster undercarriage. I may
have to do some milling to make more room for the elevator horns for
down elevator travel... and maybe add a handle coming up from the
tail post... but this is pretty close to a finished product.
Power Options ...BSwayze
My panel isn't quite finished yet, but it was with this in mind
that I installed two 12-V power plugs. Friends have told me you
can't have too many power connections, especially the USB type.
They're on the lower right side of the panel in my 7A, below the map
box I am installing (which is another decision I'm glad I made...
can't have too much storage for small items). Anyway, one of them is
switched to the master, through the VPX system that I installed. But
the other one is wired direct to the battery, with an in-line fuse
installed for safety. Therefore, it will be "always hot" (and
labeled so), so that I can make a battery charger/tester out of an
ordinary plug. It will be very easy to just raise the canopy and use
this outlet, and not have to take the top cowling off whenever I
need to charge or test the battery. I know there's the risk of
leaving something plugged in when walking away from the plane for
the night or whatever, and draining the battery. But I think it's a
good trade-off and the labeling will be a good reminder.
In this picture, I have inserted a dual-USB adapter into the
switched outlet, and the other one has the black plug cover. So it
can be used for a variety of things during flight as well.
10/28/2015. Issue No. 3,977.
From our VAF friend and RV-8 builder/pilot
(Lantz, Nova Scotia)
...a milestone he would like to share. And that is his
helmet. Congrats to Paul! More time for flying!!!
Best Ideas and Things I Wish I Did ...Bud Smith RV-8 starts the convo.
"Spend the money and get Van's locking gas caps, the standard one
are very hard to open without a tool. Mine are flying for 3 years
and work so much better.
Bungee cord rudder trim. Attached to the left and right cables in
the rear fuselage, forming a loop thru the spar. The curve in the
loop is right above my stick, I pull the side that needs just a
little toe pressure.
Good auto weather stripping between the roll bar and the canopy
frame. Eliminating the fragile fiberglass fairing. It also now
allows for a hand hold on the roll bar. No wind noise, leak tight
Vinyl wrap. Better looking than paint, lighter than paint, easily
repair hanger rashes, and changeable.
Brake fluid reservoir on the pedals. And don't worry about needing
lower pedal extensions, you won't drag or ride the brakes.
Aft battery mount.
Push button start, no starter key switch. I have a remote security
key to open circuit the push button starter switch. Barely ever use
FP prop, GA200, makes for a light A/C.
I'm hooked on ADSB traffic awareness. It is very hard to find and
see other aircraft.
Things I wish I did:
Put in the little fuel tank one way flapper to help keep the fuel in
the inboard cells. I haven't but suspect you could be in good slip
in on final and throw the fuel outboard and away from the pick up.
Leading edge landing lights. The stock tip lights are very marginal.
Hire someone to finish the fiberglass fill and finish.
Have a steam airspeed and altitude gage and prominent location.
Trim the stick as long as possible. With seat height set for great
visibility, I'm holding on to the top of the Ray Allen grip.
Disconnect radio flip flop off of grip, it's too easily switched."
Status Report ...Klaatu
TruTrak Eco Demo Flight ...Andrew Barker
Yes, we are a little late getting the Eco shipping, but here is a
video that I finished up yesterday showing it in action. We are
finalizing two little software issues and waiting for the first
install kit parts to come in! Have the first autopilot control heads
sitting on my desk already!
Enough blah blah blah, here is the link to the video.
As Lucas said in his earlier post, the preliminary manual is up on
our website and if there are any questions give us a call.
I will try to post some of he RV4 install pics on our FB page today
and will link that here.
Thanks everyone for the interest and support of this new idea in our
world! Super exciting stuff!
10/27/2015. Issue No. 3,976.
I obviously didn't do it to save time
Fuel run over to KSWI Monday ($3.35). I filed IFR for some more
experience in the DFW class B ATC system (IFR ticket still has wet ink).
No clouds were harmed in this exercise....OVC 2,000' above my cruising altitude. Once I reversed
course in the hold and was inbound on the
RNAV 34, I had the field in sight so I canceled IFR (well, actually I
had it in sight the whole time). VFR back to my
home field with mostly full tanks and a tiny bit more IFR experience.
Tiny, tiny baby steps using good judgment, standard practices and
Thirteen years after its first flight, this RV-6 is still giving me new
opportunities to learn and be a better pilot.
Thank you again Van and Co.!!!
May I present for your viewing pleasure....my FIRST Flightaware.com IFR
entry for N617AR....
(click to enlarge)
1. Altitude/Speed graph.
2. DFW Skew-T showed about a 1,000'
thick layer starting around 5,000' ft.
(click to enlarge)
I know it's not a big deal to anyone with an IFR/CFII/ATP
rating, but this was my
first time to file IFR by myself (a small victory 18.5 years in the making).
Pic above on autopilot, on an IFR altitude, being honest-to-God vectored to an
fist in air scene from
the Breakfast Club...
my Airworthiness Certificate today! ...Bruce Peters
Personal IFR Limits ...Bill Pendergrass entry
Just a data point from today. My decision to NOT fly. As others have
said, it depends.....
1 hr trip from KAVL Asheville to KBUY Burlington. Night. (6AM local)
I am current and proficient.
Looking at leading edge of the remnants of hurricane Patricia.
KBUY was VFR 3500 ft overcast, stiff breeze and 2x gusts.
KAVL was 1500 ft, rain, mist. Skew-Ts [ed.
dr] said there was little chance of getting out of the clouds.
Airmet Ice starting at 11,000 ft. Local OROCA is 9000 ft.
So.. even though both fields were VFR or MVFR, the enroute portion put me
off, plus my chariot would be on the ramp for 2-3 days of rain. I drove the
3 hrs instead. ;^)
Alpine County Pics ...Mark Albery
'Big Cut' Milestone ...Av8torTom
Vertical Power Primary Power System beta installation thread
10/26/2015. Issue No. 3,975.
Lots of rain here in TX this weekend. No airport time (but
we really needed the water, so no problemo). I'll post some final
thoughts on my IFR checkride here tomorrow or the next day, as Monday
editions always have plenty of RV news to pass along.
Hope you had a nice weekend!
Louisiana and Texas - IFR made it possible ...tc1234c trip write-up
Bloody annual - DONE ...Scott Hersha
I finished my annual condition inspection on my RV8 yesterday,
and I've stopped bleeding. The bruises will take a while to heal
though. I'm talking about injuries inflicted on my hands, arms, and
torso while attempting to check torque on the landing gear bolts
located in the practically inaccessible corners of the gear towers.
But, I'm happy to say, NEVER AGAIN! No, I'm not selling my RV8. I
have instead modified those nasty bolts by just turning them around,
with the nut on the bottom. BUT - you say - 'you still have to put a
wrench on the bolt head to check torque on the nut down below!' Not
so fast grasshopper.... not If you have the handy-dandy bolt-holders
designed by fellow two time local RV8 builder Bruce Brielmaier. It
is essentially a U-shaped receptacle that captures the bolt head on
the flats, and prevents it from turning when installed in the RV8
landing gear weldment. I'll try to upload pics to show how it works,
but I think you get the idea. These metal receptacles are made out
of chromoly steel and have one side of the clip longer than the
other. This part either bumps up against a #10 bolt/nut in the
weldment, or the edge of the weldment channel, depending on which
way it is try to turn while torquing, preventing that from
happening. I now torque these rascals from the bottom, all by
myself, in maybe 40 seconds. No more bleeding, bruising, and
gnashing of teeth. The exposed bolt/nut on the bottom protrudes
slightly lower than the bolt head did, but I've never seen an upper
intersection fairing that wouldn't easily cover this up.
Alpine County Pics ...bruceh
Van's New Split Baggage Wall ...Rick A's mod
Welcome Phillipsburg Airport Paint and Upholstery
Their ad will live on the front page.
Fall Footage ...plehrke vid
Video- A view of an RV-7A landing gear when touching down
Validation requested for "One Tab Club"
10/23/2015. Issue No. 3,974.
We're finally getting *real* rain here in N. Texas
after a 113 day wait. We might get 7" in the next 72 hours,
however. Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled
Installment #5: My IFR Checkride - More Flying
This is the working hour
We are paid by those who learn by our mistake
- - - - Tears for Fears (The
The picture below shows the
RNAV (GPS) RWY 35 practice approach down to minimums. This was performed
partial panel and west is up in the screen grab. On the flight up to
Claremore earlier in the day, Gary and I practiced this very approach
partial panel. You can see the grey line that joins the DAVLE IAF.
John asked me to simulate this approach as if I did not receive the LPV
annunciation on the Garmin 430W, or any vertical guidance for that
matter. LNAV it is... That
raises the MDA to 1200' msl (500' agl).
West is up.
RNAV (GPS) RWAY 35 (Partial Panel)
I'm a little over an hour under the hood at this
point, and was starting to get mentally worn. I remember
saying the number 1200 out loud several times on the final approach
course (minimums). I wasn't so sure I was doing the math correctly in
this tired state, subtracting 1200 from my current altitude to get a
"how many feet until missed approach" figure. When the tape finally got
down to 1300 feet I remember thinking, "I can do that math!" "100
feet to minimums." The minimums bug was set earlier, but I wanted
to make sure I knew it was coming.
You'll note by clicking on the image above that
I knocked off the approach at 1207 feet. Not horrible for a Baylor
The missed approach procedure
called for a straight ahead climb to 2500 direct CAMOB, but at 2500 John
in his role as a stand-in approach vectored me out to the southeast so I
could set up for my final approach.
VOR/DME-A. On this leg he said I could take the partial panel
mask away from the PFD, which felt great. Interesting to think how
good it felt to be back on regular old full "can't see anything outside"
gauges. Feels weird even typing that...
John said, "let me fly here for
just a second." "Birds. I'm just steering around them."
VOR/DME-A (Hand Flown)
North is up
The VOR/DME-A circling approach was
the least stressful of any of them, believe it or not. Loaded the
approach, turned the OBS for the 240* inbound course and read the DME
radial distance off the GPS in digital form. Cross-referenced the
moving airplane on the chart. Although the ground track looks like I was
all over the place, it really only fluctuated between 27.4 and 27.6
miles from the Tulsa VOR. The DME arc called for 27.5 nautical miles.
Many miles away
Something crawls to the surface
Of a dark Scottish lake.
- - - - Sting (Synchronicity II)
About this time I started to think
that I just might pass this checkride. And that's when the devil
appeared on one shoulder, and an angel appeared on the other. Just like
that scene in Animal House. The devil was whispering in my ear "You've
got this thing nailed. Let's start working out the article and what
we'll say on the Internet later in the evening." Right as the devil
finished that sentence, the guy on the other shoulder screamed in my
ear, while kicking me in the man vegetables, "Fly the
flocking airplane. Write your stupid article when you're on the ground,
you idiot." Good advice.
MDA is 1620' MSL. In the grab
above I crossed the field at 1629'. It was bumpy and hot, so I'll
Just before getting to the 16.2 nautical mile
DME missed approach point,
John said that I could take off my hood. "You
have the aircraft." "I have the aircraft." Hood off. "You have the
aircraft." "I have the aircraft." John told me that if I climbed 50 feet
I would be 'back in the virtual clouds', and that I needed to stay within
1 mile of the airport for the circle to land.
That was not going to be a problem at all,
because that is the normal pattern at my home field. We keep it nice and
tight there, not going north of FM road 1171.
Landing checklist. On speed. Trim as needed.
Stabilized, descending circular approach. Tiny power bump in the flare to achieve slightly
tail low wheel landing with minimal vertical velocity. Don't touch one switch or knob until you are off
the active runway. Post-landing checklist.
I just passed my IFR
checkride. What a wonderful feeling.
Some miscellaneous thoughts on Monday (and maybe
WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT, When the Building Is Done ...BruceEicher
A long summer's summery.
We took no big trips this season. But not a problem because there
are plenty of closer places to enjoy aviation and its community, for
sure I am pleased to be in Oregon! We have been lucky to average
over a flight a week, staying mostly local, but having a ball!
Our German exchange student, (met first on VAF!) loves to fly. This
is one moment of 27 RV flight hours (in four different planes) he
received during his exchange year.
Status Report ...goatflieg
10/22/2015. Issue No. 3,973.
[ed. Installment #5 of my IFR checkride will be posted
tomorrow. Got swamped. dr]
Meet Kindal. She is married to Jeremy. Jeremy is the
son of my good friend Randy. Yesterday I had the distinct
pleasure of having a bit part in her first outing in a 'small'
airplane. Randy and Kindal flew off my wing for about four
Let's just say her days might be harder than yours.
And she kicks 'em into submission...and documents it online:
Kindal, it was wonderful meeting you. Let's go flying again
Clouds and Rocks ...Tony T. pics
PCU5000…..Price Cutting thru Unity 5000 ...Bob Corriveau
Bonito City Brazil Pics ...Guilhermepilot
Transition Training Syllabus v2.8
Summary of Changes:
Minor edits throughout for both readability and correction. Changes
are in red and deletions are not tracked.
Hyperlinks added to assist with accessibility/cross-reference.
Edited discussion in Part 3, Emergency Procedures, Out-of-Control
Recovery (Thanks Nigel!).
As always, any discussion or input are welcome and if you'd like to
receive a copy of this document in Word format, please drop an
e-mail or PM.
First engine run video ...Dominik RV-7A (Switzerland)
The 2nd last milestone is reached, last weekend I could start the
engine for the first time on the plane. This after 11 years of
building ... yes, many things came inbetween. But the building is
only one part, the nearly more important part is the friends and
buddy's I met throu this project, even if it is only here on this
great platform VAF!
10/21/2015. Issue No. 3,972.
Installment #4: My IFR Checkride - The Flying
The oral part of the instrument check ride is over, and I passed. On to
the flying. It is 1:34 in the afternoon and the heat and bumps are
With a full stomach and full tanks John and I went out to the airplane
and launched. Plan A was to take off and do some unusual attitude
recovery under the hood first, which is exactly what we did. West
is up in the screen capture below. You can see we took off to the north,
did a climbing right turn to the south, and I put on the hood. John did
a few turns (apparently), getting the fluid in my inner ear sloshed
around adequately. "You have the aircraft." If memory serves we were in
a climb near stall speed slightly turned to one side. Full power, pushed
the nose forward and get the wings level. Recovered to John's
satisfaction so we carried on to the next task…
Again, West is up in the picture below. The story picks up with us on a
heading of 180° (lower left corner). John asked for a right turn to
heading 360, and instructed me to contact Tulsa approach and ask for a
practice ILS on either runway
missed with a hold at the TULSA VOR.
As luck would have it, Tulsa approach was clobbered and told us to
get lost. They said it much nicer than that, of course. They were
rifling off instructions very fast and were obviously working a few
fighters in the pattern. Maintain VFR, stay clear of our airspace and
have a good day, or something like that. So, while on a heading of
roughly 360, John asked me to set up for the
RNAV (GPS) RWY 17 at the airport we had just departed. I
selected Direct To KGCM, pressed the PROC button, selected "Select
Approach", chose "RNAV RWY 17", and chose the CAMOB transition.
You can see the ground track turn NW up to CAMOB.
And here's where I screwed up.
I'm hoping it was the
tryptophan in the turkey that I ate, but I couldn't remember if the
sequencing would have me do a procedure turn or if it would keep me in
the hold until I told it to do something else. Of course, the answer is
it was going to have me do a procedure turn right there at the hold and
then would sequence me automatically to the next part of the approach
if I didn't touch a thing. I touched a thing. I
was starting to sweat, wasn't enjoying the bumps very much and I was in
the middle of an IFR checkride....so stress could have been a factor. I
pushed a couple of buttons to check the flight plan sequence, and I
obviously fat fingered something. In hindsight I suspect I hit the OBS
button which had the SUSP annunciation above it. Pressing that suspended
the flight plan sequencing, but I didn't catch it. I flew the
procedure turn and started inbound towards CUMOL, where I was expecting
to intercept the glide slope. I never got the glide slope.
"Work the problem. Don't make it worse. Don't do
- - - - every CFII in the world
"John, I've obviously screwed something up here, so I'm going to hold
this altitude until I get to the missed approach point, and then I'm
going to climb straight ahead to 2400 feet direct DAVLE per the missed
approach instructions." John's reply to that was something to the effect
of "that sounds like a good course of action".
At 2400 feet headed south, John was kind enough to pretend to be
approach and gave me a left turn to the north east. I hit the procedures
button, selected the RNAV 17 approach, and chose GAFWU as my transition.
Everything worked as it was supposed to. Talking to a friend
later, I was reminded that if I had just hit the flight plan button I
would've seen that it was going to give me a procedure turn instead of a
hold. But it was bumpy and hot. That's my story and I'm sticking with
At the LPV DA of 968 feet I executed the missed and proceeded direct
DAVLE per the chart. John instructed me to next set up for the
RNAV (GPS) RWY 35 with DAVLE as the transition, and to affix my
cardboard mask over my primary display.
Time to go partial panel. We'll pick it up there tomorrow....
RV-7A Flight over the Grand Canyon ...Capt Sandy
Why Fly an RV? ...humptybump
This short tale applies to lots of airplanes but more so to
EABs and especially to total performance airplanes like the RV line
One of the best things that we have with experimental home built
aircraft is the ability to customize them to our own personal
mission. My RV-8 is no different.
I purchased a flying airplane and began to change it to my mission.
It already had two of my requisite characteristics - it was well
built and it was frugal (both in its acquisition and operation).
You'll notice I describe my airplane as "150hp FP". That should give
you a sense of where it sits in the frugal category.
Over the handful of years I've owned it, I've continually
specialized it for my brand of flying - "long hall solo adventures".
It has a cruise propeller, it has an IFR panel, it has slightly
larger main tires, and it occasionally sports a 22 gallon AUX tank.
This is not your typical RV-8. It is not fast. It doesn't get rolled
or looped (but that is choice rather than implementation). It does
not have many creature comforts. This *IS* my plane and it does what
I honestly want it to do.
Today was no exception.
My schedule is a bit off from the usual. Mondays and Fridays are my
free days and when the weather is good I like to go places. This
schedule doesn't lend itself to flying with most of my friends. But,
as I described, my mission seldom follows that pattern anyway.
So, a nice Monday and a 64 gallon RV-8. Sounds like the perfect
combination for a 970 mile lunch run.
I told you "long haul adventures"
So my advice to everyone building or buying an RV is the same as
what's been repeated hundreds of times before.
Build the plane you want, not the plane others want you to build.
... and ...
Keep pounding those rivets.
... and if you get the chance, stop in to 5TN4 and see some
seriously great craftsmanship applied to an RV-14 build !
10/20/2015. Issue No. 3,971.
Installment #3: My IFR Checkride - The Oral
John landed in his RV-6A around 11 o'clock as planned. Introductions
and handshakes and off to the pilot lounge for the non-flying part of
the test. Gary Platner, my passenger and CFII, grabbed the crew
car and headed off for a 20 min. drive to go visit our friend Clayton
for a few hours.
One of the first things John had to do was log into the IACRA system
and "start the clock". This proved to be a little more difficult
than either of us had anticipated. The computer in the pilot lounge
would not allow pop-up windows, and the IACRA system uses those. Plan B
was to use my iPad, but that didn't work either. Plan C was John using
his laptop, but as fate would have it the power supply decided to give
up the ghost, and he had a pretty dead battery, so it kept powering
down. Last but not least I pulled out my laptop and we got it to work.
We "started the clock" and I electronically signed the FAA-required
documents John presented me. The testing begins…
He needed to see my logbook endorsements, and this was when we
discovered that one of the required endorsements wasn't there. Time to
call Gary on the cell phone. "Can you turn the car around and come back
here and endorse my logbook? You and I forgot to." "Yes."
He wanted to see the piece of paper proving that I passed the
written. I remember how I kept this piece of paper under lock and
key for a year. The testing facility made a big deal about not
loosing it. John looked at it for about .4 seconds - just long
enough to verify the embossed seal.
We dragged a small end table into the center of the room and spread
out all our stuff.
Gary showed back up and entered the logbook endorsement. At that very
instant Gary's phone rang with a call from Clayton. "We're back from our
trip and I'll fly over there and pick you up." Gary looked over at me
and said "fly over and pick me up at Clayton's after your test.....if
you pass." :-)
The oral has begun…
"Plan me an IFR flight from here back to your home airport. Use
current weather conditions."
I opened up the iPad and the Garmin Pilot app and started pressing
away. I chose various Victor Airways and intersections, checked the
icing levels, convective activity, turbulence, and more, and
demonstrated to him that I knew how to pull up that information.
These iPads make it seem like cheating.
"How would you activate your IFR flight plan from this non-towered
airport we're at?" On freq per the plan filed via 1.800.WX.BRIEF.
"How would you look to see what the RAIM predictions are on your
GPS?" I opened up the PDF owner's manual of my 430W and did a search.
It's on the utility page. Here's a picture of it.
"Look at this enroute chart over in the Phoenix area. What is this
little symbol mean?" The process continued like this for several
minutes, then we turned to weather.
John's day job is chief meteorologist at a television station in Des
Moines (KCCI). Did I mention
Know your weather if you use John as your DPE.
me a weight and balance for you and me with full tanks and 20 pounds of
baggage." I pulled up the tools section of flitplan.com on my iPad, my
RV profile, and showed him the graph with the dots inside the envelope.
You remember how to do that, right? <g>
I think the oral lasted something like an hour, but I honestly don't
remember. It went fast. The thing that I took away the most
was that John wasn't looking for me to know the answer of every single
question, but he did expect me to know where it was, and be able to look
it up quickly. Having about 5000 pages of material in PDF format on my
iPad with the search button proved invaluable.
Did you know that
the document which describes all the symbols on all the aviation
charts is (86) pages long? Let me list a few words which you may not be
familiar with, but have unique depictions in that document...
Single versus double versus more than two tracks versus electric
versus nonoperating railroad tracks. They all have different symbology.
Pipelines, dams, passable locks, weirs and jetties, seawalls,
breakwaters, peers, wharfs, quays and more. They all look different.
And what is a quay?
get the idea, but let me end with streams. Perennial, non-perennial,
fanned out alluvial fan, braided, disappearing, seasonally fluctuating
with undefined limits, and with maximum bank limits prominent and
I hope maybe I've made the point that having a PDF document on your
iPad that you can search through during the oral isn't the worst of
Maybe I studied more than I needed to. On second thought, can
you be too prepared for something as serious as this?
I did OK. John suggested we break for lunch. Actually he gave
me the option to fly then eat lunch, but I asked if we could eat lunch
and then fly. Doogie need food. He said he would ask me a
few more questions over lunch. How VSI's work was among those
questions if I remember correctly.
Crew car quick drive. We walked into a BBQ joint in 'downtown'
Claremore, and while walking through the doors of this supposedly
country-western barbecue place, I was greeted with the notes of 'Crazy
Train' by Ozzy Osbourne. In F#. And for you metal
aficionados out there, you already know where I'm going with this…
Randy Rhodes, the guitar player on the song 'Crazy Train',
killed in a plane crash on March 19, 1982. Buzzing the tour
bus...and the bus won. I was a junior in high school at the time
and I thought playing guitar was just about the most important thing in
the world. It wasn't lost on me that I was in the middle of a test for
some of the most dangerous types of flying, while listening to the music
written and performed by someone who was killed by the same hardware I
was hoping to use safely. It gave me an opportunity to remind
myself to be the safest pilot I could be.
If you have
John as a DPE someday, ask him about his REO Speedwagon story. It's
More tomorrow. I've passed the oral. We drive back to the
airport to fly...
Crabandy PJ Pics
Welcome Jim Lane
Please welcome Jim Lane of Pagosa Springs, Colorado to Van's
Airforce. Jim recently sold his Bonanza, and has purchased RV7
N132RD (IO-360, CS prop, dual Dynon Skyview screens, and Vertical
Power system). Jim is the leader of the San Juan Squadron of
formation pilots. Most of the Squadron aircraft are RVs with a
Glassair III thrown in. The RV7 will considerably dress up the
formation flights! Jim is a former member of the 82nd airborne
Division, with 1200 jumps (civilian and military) to his credit and
a former business owner in the medical products field. Jim and his
wife Sheila live in Pagosa Springs.
Vic Syracuse generously helped with the pre-buy inspection, and
checked Jim out in his nicely equipped RV7.
Another paint booth ...Steve Melton pics
Petit Jean PIREP and Pics ...Bill S.
RV-10 Build In The Press
10/19/2015. Issue No. 3,970.
You planned for everything while painting the inside of your
fuselage.... except the grasshopper landing on your work while it was
still wet. Rob Reece RV-8.
Installment #2: My IFR Checkride - Flight up
to Claremore, OK
Before I get into the trip up to Claremore,
Oklahoma, I'd like to answer a question I've gotten from a few people
regarding how I studied for the instrument written. Pretty simple. I
to this free website (click on 'INSTRUMENT STUDY BUDDY', then
'Learning Mode') and used
free screen capture utility to copy/paste enough questions to make
sure I knew it. Only the question, the right answer,
the relevant part of the figure/legend if applicable and the
explanation into a Microsoft Word document. I used the
annotate feature in Microsoft Word to annotate with red arrows the
relevant parts of the figures.
A screengrab from 'Part I':
(click to enlarge)
A couple of zoomed-in screen grabs from my study
guide below should help make better sense of it. Microsoft Word,
and pretty much every word processor, will allow you to save a document
as a PDF file. Email the doc to yourself, open the email on your
iPad and select 'Open in iBooks'. A copy is now on your iPad or
phone so you can study at Wendy's during lunch without having to flip
The process of creating this coupla hundred page
document was what I did to learn. Passed on my first try. That
document lives on my iPad, my iPhone, and my home computer.
Okay, picking up our story where we left off…
Gary and I launched for Claremore around 0830 in the morning, climbed
up to 5500 feet and turned on the autopilot so I could conserve energy
:^). About 30 min. out of Claremore I loaded and activated the
RNAV (GPS) RWY 35 approach, selecting DAVLE as my IAF, affixed my
partial panel cardboard over my primary flight display, pulled up the
chart on my iPad, and mentally started to work through the process of
flying that approach partial panel when we arrived.
(click to enlarge)
NW is up......52F direct DAVLE (KGCM)
That little bend in the upper right corner of the picture above shows
where I crossed DAVLE and turned on the inbound course. After crossing
the initial approach fix, I turned off the autopilot and started using
the display on the other side of the cockpit. The purpose of the
exercise was twofold: number one, I was going to have to do something
like this on the checkride and I needed to practice, and number two, I
needed to find out which part of my bifocals work best looking at the
display across the cockpit. Do I lean in a little bit and use the
up-close part, or keep my head where it is normally and use the the long
vision part? It turned out that using the up close lens and
leaning my head in a little bit into Gary's personal space work best
from a vision standpoint. Probably wasn't Gary's best choice...
(click to enlarge)
LPV annunciation on the 430W, descended to 983 feet MSL (the
decision altitude of 250' agl), got my head outside the cockpit and
landed the airplane. Taxied up to the gas pump and topped it off.
Easy cheezy in the still morning air.
John should arrive in a half hour or so, so I have time to rest a
little bit, visit the head and eat an Oats 'n Honey crunch bar.
NYC from an RV ...Jon Weiswasser
Interesting First Flight - the art of experimenting
LOE'15 Pics ...Carlos
Sharing my mistake of the day (CHECK YOUR FUEL CAPS)
"...Based on some rough guesses at the duration of the flight, I
figure I was pumping a gallon overboard every 2-3 minutes. So I made
my landing with probably about ten minutes of usable fuel
New start on and old RV-6
Fall Foliage ...Larry Pardue
It has been very warm in New Mexico and the color change is just
barely starting. This is Sierra Blanca at just under 12,000 feet MSL.
How to scare yourself to death
Now, I realize that as intrepid aviators we know not the meaning
of fear (riiiight...) however, I had an interesting experience
today. I had flown to a nice grass strip about 20 minutes away and
executed my first off-pavement landing and takeoff in my 6A. After
climbing away, I was still congratulating myself on not folding up
my nosegear and polevaulting into the weeds when I noticed one of
those things you NEVER want to see in your cockpit, namely a
flashing red light on my EI engine monitor drawing my attention to
the fact that the gauge was showing ZERO oil pressure. That tends to
get you interested quickly. Quick scan showed normal oil temp,
normal CHT's, and the engine running just as it always does - no
change in sound, power, etc. Nevertheless I was just turning to
return to the strip I had just vacated, when suddenly the pressure
indication returned to normal. Observed this for a minute, and made
a judgment call to return to my home base, about 15 minutes away at
that point. Most of the way home the pressure stayed right where it
should be, but occasionally would drop somewhat, and once or twice
briefly went to zero again, then stabilized again. I called for a
straight-in to get on the ground as quickly as possible, and then
saw the pressure go to zero again when I pulled the throttle and
lowered the nose on approach. Again, all other indications were
normal, and the engine ran smoothly. Got on the ground in a gusty
crosswind, rolled out and taxied to my hangar, with engine again
showing pressure. Shut down and took a few breaths before climbing
out. All indications were, however, that there was a bad sensor or
connection in the oil pressure circuit, something I have had happen
before with this system, so I was a bit wound up, but not too bad.
Petit Jean Pic ...gmrv4
10/16/2015. Issue No. 3,969.
Most of my good ideas
come to me on the treadmill. And today I had a pretty good one. Instead
of writing one big long article on my IFR checkride experience, I
thought I would do a series of small installments, and then publish
those one at a time on the front page. After a week or so I'll probably
have enough material for a nice article and I can copy and paste all
that in and be done. And you won't have to wait for the whole
thing. I'm nothing if not lazy, and this seems to be the way to do
it with the least amount of effort. Work smart not hard...(and use
Dragon to turn the
talking into text).
So, without further ado, may I present (and
wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend):
Installment #1: My IFR Checkride
Partial Panel setup: cardboard taped over the PFD
Why Claremore, Oklahoma?
John McLaughlin. In the VAF forums his username is CopterJohn.
He has built an RV-6A and currently flies an RV-6A. He is also restoring
an RV-10 that needs some love. He is a DPE and lives in Des Moines,
Iowa. So, he is a DPE and can do a checkride in an RV, but probably the
most important part of this situation is that he has two sons that live
and attend college in Claremore, Oklahoma. He's about an hour
fifty from Claremore and I'm an hour twenty five.
I have a good friend (Clayton McMartin) who
lives in Claremore, and have been meaning for about a year to go up
there and visit him. One of my CFIIs, Gary Platner, is also very good
friends with Clayton, and he is always looking for an excuse to go up
and visit. He could go with me for free, so we solved that problem in
Speaking of that part of Oklahoma, you know who
was born near Claremore, Oklahoma besides Will Rogers?
Steve Gaines of
nearby Miami. You may not know who he is, but you know some of his
music. He was one of the guitarists in the band Lynyrd Skynyrd. There
was a song written by the band the Drive-by Truckers called "Cassie's
Brother" that was written about Steve joining the band. More info:
meaning of song /
listen to song.
"If he ain't no good
We'll just leave him right out of the mix
But he proceeded to give some tired mules
A coupla kicks"
You might be wondering why I mention Steve
Gaines. He died at age 29 in a plane crash. NTSB determined fuel
mismanagement. Things to think about as you're flying up to do your IFR
checkride near his hometown. This is an endeavor with risk, and the
hobby is unforgiving of inattention to detail. Things like IFR
Preparation for the Oral
I've been working towards this instrument rating
on and off for 18 1/2 years. In about the last five months or so I
thought it might be a good idea just to finish this thing up and knock
it out. That involved many things: getting the transponder IFR cert
check, doing a VOR check, making sure all the databases were up and
current, gathering a pile of PDF documents on my iPad that I could use
for the open book oral part of the exam. And I had to cross some T's and
dot some I's on the IACRA.gov website to get all of my ducks in a row.
I passed my written a year ago, just before my Mom passed - the reason
for the delay. Lots of practice approaches. Lots.
(click to enlarge)
The RV-6 isn't known as the most stable IFR
platform on the planet, but I have over 1,000 hours in mine and I'm
pretty familiar with its idiosyncrasies and how it communicates what
it's doing through the stick. It's just very sensitive mostly. I don't
think I would've been brave enough to try the IFR checkride in this
airplane with 250 hours under my belt.
As for the PDF documents,
go to this link and download pretty much everything that says
instrument flight rules and/or airplane in the title. You will end up
with something on the order of 3000 pages of information. All
For me I used the iBooks application on my iPad Mini as it allows me
to search the documents. This comes in pretty handy, for example when
you're DPE asks you about RAIM on your Garmin 430W. I pulled up the PDF
owner's manual and found the answer in about 15 seconds.
Screen capture from my iPad mini:
(click to enlarge)
Screen capture of my 'checklist' album of pictures
below. Note that several of them are those complicated-to-remember
items like airspace, runway signs, weather symbols and more. It's
nice to have all this two feet from your eyes accessible in four seconds
all the time in the airplane...me thinks:
(click to enlarge)
In installment #2 we'll pick up with the flight to Claremore.
Hope you're enjoying it so far.
Flight N713JL ...James Jula
It only took 13 years, but my slow build RV-7A finally made it
into the sky on 10/12/15! Roy Thoma flew chase in his RV-7A, and my
wife snapped the picture in the link below. The flight went perfect
except for a heart thumping BANG that turned out to be the GoPro
falling onto the baggage floor
Last Minute LOE'15 News
"Van's Aircraft is flying the RV14 taildragger into LOE
2015 on Friday and going back on Sunday.
Grand Rapids Technologies is sending Carlos down for the event.
How much beer has your RV moved?
The best way to spend Canadian Thanksgiving in the good ole' US of A
So my buddy Mark has a Lancair ES that's been giving him fits
with high CHT's. A plan was devised to fly his bird down to Redmond,
Oregon to have the pros look it over. An outfit called RDD does this
kinda work so a mission profile was developed.
Kinda went something like this. Launch two ships out of Calgary at
zero dark thirty Monday morning, clear customs in Spokane, bugger
off to Redmond, drop off the hot and bothered Lancair, catch a
couple of factory tours (Epic and Lancair), then blast off to
Grandma's house in Aurora, OR for din dins and sleep.
Hey Aurora !! That's home base of Van's. Well now.... if I gotta
suffer through a Lancair factory tour you know I'm gonna punish good
ole' Marky with a Van's factory tour!! Yes indeed. Then Tuesday
we'll back track. Pick up the super cool running Lancair and head
LOE'15 THIS WEEKEND
Petit Jean THIS WEEKEND
· Petit Jean State Park Website
· Petit Jean Fly In Website
· PJ General Pictures around the ramp!
· Petit Jean People- Faces & Planes:
Pics From The Event
10/15/2015. Issue No. 3,968.
Happy Thursday. Here's what my IFR
checkride yesterday looks like in plan view. I should put that in
a small frame for my desk <g>. Can you find the hand-flown DME
arc? I know I can! I was 'under the hood' over 1.3 hrs in
the bumps and heat by that point (and it showed). Had hit a
mental endurance wall and was trying to push through...what an odd
sensation. At least the inbound course was semi-straight.
I'm slowly working on the article, my screwups and all. It might
take a few days, and I hope you enjoy it. And thank you for the
kind notes of congrats. Much appreciated.
535-Days ...Gil Brice RV-7
535 days is the amount of time it has been since I laid a finger
on my RV7 with the intention of making progress on it. 535 days of
really, honestly missing my build. The last thing I was doing was
setting wing incidence in my garage in Bentonville AR. Today, I
actually fabricated a shim in my new garage in McKinney TX. I was so
proud of myself. My tools still work and I didn't lose any fingers.
I guess I'll find out soon enough if I remember how to rivet. I'll
post some other observations about moving your shop later, but for
now I am just so happy to have aluminum chips in my socks.
Your Fall Foliage Photos
Eagle's Nest McKinney needs your scrap!!
Eagles Nest Projects is building an RV-12 with McKinney ISD.
We need scrap to help the students build their skills.
Specifically we are looking for angle and strap to teach
countersinking and sheet/skins to dimple, de-burr, rivet etc.
Clean out your hanger and let me know if you'd like to donate, I'd
be happy to pick up in the DFW area.
Perfect Autumn Flying Wx in CO ...Joe Zuffoletto RV-8
Update on WPR14LA046, RV-8
"The RV-8 accident NTSB Probable Cause Report involving a pitch
change knob failure was brought to our attention two weeks after the
report was released. Hartzell did not participate in the
investigation so we are looking into the facts and circumstances
that went into the report conclusions. Hartzell will examine the
accident propeller soon and confer with the NTSB metallurgical lab
about their conclusions. At the present time Hartzell has no
concerns with shot peened pitch change knobs on approved
engine/propeller combinations operating within the limitations
defined for the applicable engine configuration. “Approved”
engine/propeller combinations include type certified combinations or
Experimental Amateur Built applications specifically approved by
Hartzell correspondence. If you have questions regarding propeller
operating limitations for your specific engine/propeller
combination, please contact Hartzell Propeller Product Support. You
will be asked for your engine configuration including compression
ratio, ignition systems, modified camshafts, crankshaft, pistons,
induction, turbo/superchargers, exhaust, injections systems such as
alcohol or nitrous oxide, or any other modification that would alter
the power and torsional vibration characteristics."
Air Safety Investigator - Hartzell Propeller
Oldie but a goody
10/14/2015. Issue No. 3,967.
Q: What has two thumbs and an instrument rating?
A: This guy. More later...me very tired.
Many, many thanks to so many people who will be
recognized in short order.
Clayton McMartin photo.
10/13/2015. Issue No. 3,966.
First Flight Report RV-8, N814DP
Wrapped in Vinyl ...Frankster
Got the RV7 finished late April and now have 95 hours on the
airframe. Thought it was time to put colour on it.
John Irwin - 90 years old - Eagle Flight ...Lycosaurus
John Irwin (no relation to Aircraft Spruce) is a close friend and
neighbor to Shirley's sister Betty. We flew to Bancroft, Ontario for
a Thanksgiving family weekend as well as to join in John's surprise
90th birthday celebration.
Bancroft CNW3 is a small gravel strip airport, with a very
interesting day VFR-only approach. Approach to RWY 30 is nestled
between two hills. Makes for an interesting and challenging landing.
This hill on the right (sort of doing a left base for 30) is Eagle's
Nest. Makes for an interesting view for the people on the
A Tale of Two Builder Logbooks ...old school working fine
The top pic is from Rob Reece's builder logbook at the Van Cave.
Old school in 2015 and working fine. The pic below that is
page one of my 1997 RV-6 log. I smile seeing how I changed
what/how I recorded three different times on the first page.
Printed the 'form' in MS Word and used transparent sleeves in a
3-ring notebook. Backed it up using a phone camera a few years
ago. I'd be surprised if I spent more than two hours and $5
tracking the build over the course of 5½ years.
Lyle Hefel in the press ...AndyRV7
I was happy to stumble across this on the web. Thought I would
Yet Another Trip to Boulder, CO ...bruceh
Another trip across the Rockies to Boulder, CO. This time we got
to celebrate our daughter's 21st birthday! Weather on the way out
G3X Touch partial panel for IFR training? ...Ed Kranz
Now that I'm almost done with phase 1, the next thing on the list is
getting my instrument rating.
I know that in the IFR practical test standards, you have to
demonstrate the ability to fly safely in IMC under partial panel. In
today's glass panels, what do they consider "partial panel"?
During my test flying, I've tested the redundancies that I've
designed into the system. I can pretty much turn off any one thing
in the plane, and still drone along with very little impact. Some
simulated equipment failure I've tested:
ADHRS1: I lose magnetic heading, IAS, and TAS as I only have one
magnetometer and temp probe which routes thru ADHRS1
ADHRS2: No effect
PFD: MFD automagically goes into reversionary mode, and becomes
a PFD. I now have to turn my head slightly, and EFIS audio
alerts go away as they route from the PFD
MFD: Because of the way the VPX is configured, I can't test this
in flight. But I know I'd lose the VPX interface, the AP control
box (I'd still have soft buttons on the PFD), and worst of all,
I'd lose XM music!
ARINC: I lose GTN data on the EFIS
EIS: I lose engine parameters, as well as some other
Master Switch: Even with total battery or master failure, I
still have the MFD, EIS, AHRS, and GMC305 (for flight director)
that run off of a TCW backup battery.
Beyond that, I'm planning on having an iPad with Foreflight and a
Stratus 2s with it's own internal battery. That should give me GPS
and synthetic vision that's good enough to get me into VMC should I
somehow lose EVERYTHING in the plane. I'll be getting (and testing)
this once I begin the instrument training in earnest.
With all that, what might I be asked to do to prove that I can fly
with "partial panel"?
First anniversary report - Wild Blue ...RKellogg
Just completed first annual condition inspection. Generally
pleased with the way things look after 180 hours of flying
adventures. So far we have landed in IL, WI, MN, ND, NY, NC, IA, MO,
MI, KY, IN, OH, VA, only 36 more to go.
It hurts a bit to see the scratches and chips in the paint and the
stains in the sheepskin seats, but each one tells a story about a
flying adventure. Found a bit of sand in the wheel pants from Cape
Hatteras, or maybe Ocracoke Island. And the prop shed a bit of paint
from flying through all that rain on the way home from Ocean Isle
The Saga of Serial Number 75 ...Dgamble
Let's start the tale of RV-12 serial number 75 with a baseline:
the tail kit for my RV-12, serial number 284, arrived at my door on
Tuesday, October 13, 2009, four days short of six years ago. It took
three years at a relaxed pace to convert the series of sub-kits into
a flying airplane. In comparison, serial number 75 flew for the
first time on October 5th, 2015.
That means that it was in some state of hangar decoration for at
least six years, but probably more like seven.
Why do we care? What's our interest in serial number 75?
Well, it comes down to this: I've spent the last year and a half
helping to get it in the air.
It all started back in the days when I was spending quite a bit of
time out at the hangar building N284DG. As anyone who has built a
plane at the airport knows, they attract other airport denizens in
the way a Walmart Black Friday sale attracts bargain hunters. This
isn't necessarily a problem, mind you; it's often the case that a
few minutes of talking about the progress being made (or, in some
cases, not being made - I'm looking at you, longerons) can be quite
10/12/2015. Issue No. 3,965.
The weekend blew by at breakneck speed...Tate's 15th birthday
party/sleepover. Five teenage boys eating every molecule of food
in our house, moving the furniture around and playing video games until
1am. Ate two dozen donuts Sunday morning, not leaving me one.
Where do they get this energy?
I'm exhausted...and I want a donut. And good morning ;^).
AX-O Fastback RV-4 Update ...many words and pics
Wanted to give you guys feedback on Phase I. DanH, I have not
mapped the pressures yet. Trying to get her flying and not be
completely consumed with temp monitoring.
It has been a slow process. I have been fighting temp problems and
trying to find the right prop pitch. The plane currently has about 8
hours on it. There has been a lot of fly, fix, fly going on. And
some major mods too.
Impromptu Columbus Day Bay Bridge MD Lunch
Michigan color flight, a little early! ...Paul K
Want a Flying 6A Partnership for $14K? ...St. Louis area
(Dean Grant, USN) "Smokey Ray believes you may be able to
help spread the word on my RV6A. I am in a partnership in the Saint
Louis area. I love the partnership. The Navy saw I was having too
much fun and has decided to give me orders out of the
area......... I am asking 14,000 for my 1/5 share. The
partnership currently has 21k into a maintenance fund. Club members
pay 18 dollars a flight hour (hobbs) into the maintenance fund. We
access dues every 6 months to pay for hangar and insurance.
......... I am standing by to answer any questions."
1st Flight RV-9A N747K (takeoff video 13-seconds) ...Dale Lochinger
Headset Holder ...bruceh
Check this at your next RV-12 annual
10/9/2015. Issue No. 3,964.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend!
Good evening Big Apple ...Vlad
7A Status Report ...Dundee Downunder
Started construction August 2009 and finally received my Phase 2
Certificate of Airworthiness 7th Oct 2015. RV-7A with
IO-360-MIB with Dual P-Mags, VP-Pro, Full Classic Aero Design
upholstery, Dual Dynons with OzRunways/PocketFMS mapping.
Interior and exterior design and colors by my talented wife. The
Peacock Blue is a deep metallic that really shines in the bright
light. Flies like a dream!
From mothership FB page....
12 flys and Volt and amps show Zero
Have a friend that just flew his new 12 SLSA yesterday, a couple
of minor issues but it flew well and he at the ripe age of 87 made a
nice take off and landing. He is not on here that I know of, he is
Frank Storm of El Dorado Hills Ca, first flight was at RIU (Rancho
Murieta). His 3rd RV, a 6,6a and the 12. He is a retired PanAm
Captin and was a FAC in Korea. So super congrats to a repeat
The only issue is that we now don't have volt or amp indications,
the bars are there just no value, just a "0". I have been helping
him with issues all along and called Dynon on this and he said that
Van's are the ones that wire it they just build it, so I'm looking
for a hint of where to go look. Maybe someone has had this happen,
that's right I'm looking for the easy way out!! Any help would be
Yes they were working last time I ran the plane, King at Dynon
helped me with changing a wire to get the Amp guage to function, but
all worked after that.
From mothership FB page....
PCU5000 Group Buy Info
Mothership Class D Airspace
10/8/2015. Issue No. 3,963.
Advert Knockoff ....Bruce
After Mitch, who will have first RV-14 flying?
I saw Mitch featured in the recent posting from the Mid Atlantic
fly in. He mentioned that his -14A should be flying by November. Who
will be next?
Measure 10 times, cut once ...Av8torTom
I'm getting ready to make the cuts in the forward side skin for
the tipper canopy latch mechanism on my 9A. Before I slice into my
baby, can someone please double check the positioning of my template
for the cuts?
I've lined-up the top "holes" on the template with the top row of
rivets, and positioned the top left hole 48 9/16" forward of the aft
edge of the forward side skin.
Fried my starter ...Dave
My starter apparently remained engaged after startup and I didn't
detect it. No funny noise (yet!). The volts were a little low but
not too bad and the alternator passed the run up test (that should
have got my attention). Best I can tell the solenoid (Vans ES 24021,
only months old) stuck closed. It was closed when I tested it after,
and snapped open when I tapped it with a screwdriver.
At any rate, I want to rig up a light to warn of this in the future.
It would be simple to run a fused wire from the solenoid to a light
on the panel.
Has this been done? Is it a good strategy?
RV-8 Status ...Rob Reece
Danny King and Rob painted the interior of Rob's RV-8 project at
the Van Cave yesterday. I got a pic this morning of the
results. Paint matches the powdercoated rollbar and sticks.
10/7/2015. Issue No. 3,962.
Bahamas Relief Flight and Wide Spread Destruction ...Brian Shol
I am sorry to report that the out island of the Bahamas to
include San Salvador, Crooked, Rum Cay, Long Cay and the Acklins are
in very bad condition. I was part of a 2 ship flight out of Palm
Beach Sunday bound for Crooked Island with 2,000 lbs of Food, Water
and First Aid. I loaded up 3 cases of MRE's and First Aid into the
RV6 and headed to South FL to join my great friends that fly an
Airvan and Aztec.
A heartfelt thanks--our community is a special one ...Matt Z
A few days ago jdwky posted “I am constantly in awe of the
brotherhood of the Vans/Experimental flying world. Since joining
your ranks, I have met, and continue to meet, the most outstanding
men/women who are involved with these aircraft. Let me tell you
about just one such encounter...” I echo his comments word for word.
Here’s another one:
I’m going to be looking after a friend’s Mooney while he’s overseas
for the next two years. He left it in Montgomery, AL—about a 3hr
drive from here. Option 1 would be for my wife to drive up with me,
I fly back, leaving her to do a 6hr car trip—half of it solo—in one
day just so I could get a plane. She already did that recently so I
could pick up my RV-4 after we moved. Option 2 would be for someone
to graciously fly me up to get the plane, saving the drive time (and
being a whole lot more fun). Enter Dan and his RV-8. When I floated
the idea of him flying down to get me on Saturday, his simple
response: “good excuse to fly”.
The weather was no good on Saturday in the Flori-Bama region, so I
had pretty much counted it out until a later weekend. Sunday
afternoon out of the blue Dan calls to say he’s headed to the
airport, weather is good in Montgomery, and not bad down here—still
want to get the Mooney? Long story short, Dan was willing to fly 100
miles just to pick me up and fly me back to pick up an airplane, and
even circle overhead until I was airborne before heading back to his
field just to make sure I was good to go. And oh by the way,
enabling me to have one of those flights home above the clouds that
makes you wonder how anyone couldn’t enjoy flying.
The brotherhood of aviators (and especially RVators) is a special
one…and Dan is class act.
Inflight restart procedure
Q: So I make a stupid mistake and run one of my tanks dry (could
happen but not planning on it). My engine is an IO320. Hot restart
is mixture idle/shutoff throttle ½”, mixture to rich at first start.
That’s sitting on the good earth. I think the first thing is switch
tanks, 2nd aux fuel pump?, and 3rd ?????
A: Typically running a tank dry the prop will continue to
Switching tanks and turning on the boost pump should be all that is
A: I'm with Mel.
I would run my small aerobatic tank dry first as a standard
procedure on every cross country flight with the Hiperbipe. All you
have to do is switch tanks and wait a second or two. The boost pump
seemed to speed the relight process, but unless you do this at low
altitude the time difference is not critical.
If equipped with a CS prop, you will get a RPM surge on the relight.
Not a big deal in any event.
VAF Courtesy Car List Updated
Whatever web client/device you have will work just fine. No
RV-10 Aileron Revision
Q: For those who have recent RV-10 quick build wing kits, I need
a couple of pictures of the end rib of the ailerons. Van's has
changed the kit, but they apparently haven't changed the plans, or
sent us an old version of the plans. Namely, the A-1008A pieces, how
are they installed in relationship to the spar, and how do the end
ribs install? I have seen a quickbuild aileron and know they have
changed, but don't have he plans to match
A: Not quick build, but what I could find off hand. Don't have
the plans in front of me, so not sure if these show exactly what
you're looking for: (more)
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My oldest daughter's first lesson ...crabandy write-up.
"It's not her first time at the controls of an airplane, she's
flown "under the panel" several times before."
[ed. If this story doesn't make you smile I don't know what will!!!!
Here's at least ten minutes of
your day!!!! ...you'll like this!
Airborne Dual VOR Check Done and Logged
IFR prep continues...
My home field is on the 312° radial off Maverick (TTT).
Monday I loaded TTT into both VOR receivers and set the OBS on both
to 312° (and on the HSI). Launched to the north and orbited
the airport for four minutes around a thousand feet above pattern
altitude. Flew up the runway centerline and held the camera
phone up to my neck and clicked the button a few times as I flew
over the airport. Later at home, I looked at the take.
VOR #1 radial line displayed on the MFD. Clicking between 312°
and 311° made the line hop back and forth from the north end of the
runway to the south end. My interpretation is the north end of
the runway is the 312° radial.
0° bearing error on both VORs at that spot over the ground.
Entry in the logbook made
per suggestions here. "...date, place, and bearing
error of the check, and the person making the check..."
Good to go for 30 days.
Garmin Pilot screen grab off my phone.
Blue dot is me standing on the ramp at 52F before
the flight. And can I get somebody to change
the 'CEKHI' intersection to 'VAFDR' please <badump>?
The pic that was most in focus below, annotated.
VOR #1 drives the HSI.
set in both VORs and HSI. Radial line on MFD crosses airport.
Direct To set in iPad running Garmin PIlot.
(click to enlarge)
One World Theater near Austin, TX ...Larry Buller 7A Trip Write Up
Linda and I are avid followers of the Voice on NBC. A couple
years back a duo named Dawn & Hawks appeared. They did not win but
we enjoyed their music style, harmonies and acoustic.
They recently got married and set up a concert at the One World
theater. See OneWorldTheater.org. It is an intimate venue that seats
about 300 people. They offer dinner with the concert tickets and in
this case the tickets including a world class dinner were $68. The
dinner was excellent. Miranda Dawn & Chris Hawks visited at length
with all of the tables, then treated us to an excellent concert, and
If you like music and are looking for a place to go, I highly
recommend One World theater. Some of the groups coming up are The
Guess Who, AJ Croce (son of Jim Croce), Michael Martin Murphy, Blood
Sweat & Tears and many others.
We landed at the Lakeway Airpark (3R9). They have tie downs and
100LL, but no other services. A beautiful area and a great
destination for the RV7.
Since there is no FBO, Hertz does not work, but Enterprise was open
Friday and Saturday so we got a car from them. An entertaining (for
us) event took place when the Enterprise assistant branch manager
brought us the car at the airport. He was telling us how this was a
brand new car, had never been rented and had only 26 miles on it
when he backed into a pole scraping up the bumper and left rear
quarter panel. We were amused thinking better him than us. He of
course was highly embarrassed and not looking forward to explaining
it to his manager.
Miss Sue for Sale - The day that would never come ...Marshall
2nd Annual(-) Primitive Camping Fly-in at Alpine County October 24-25,
A couple of us "bear assault" veterans decided that another
fly-in campout was warranted at the Alpine County on October 24th
and 25th. So, we've got the trip on the calendar. Just like last
year, no organization beyond this announcement and those who want
just show up self-sufficient. The camping is completely primitive,
so bring all your own water, food, toilet paper, and, most
importantly, bear canister(s) or appropriate system to suspend food
high between trees. Please, under no circumstances, plan to keep
food in your plane, tent, or ice chest! Like last year, I'll bring a
shovel and dig a trench for a toilet, so you don't need to bring
your own shovel.
10/5/2015 0005Z. #3,960.
N.TX practice formation last Friday. Usual suspects.
First Flight RV12 ...Pat Stewart
I took RV number 4 (RV12) to the sky this morning for its first
flight, my good friend Jay Pratt did all the previous first flights.
Performed well with no issues. Thanks to Sam and Kevin for their
help and a big thank you to Ernie Patey who started the build on
RV 8, RV8A, RV 10
Flying the RV12
Classic Aero & my 6 ...acroflyrgirl
Ahh, worth the wait. The tonneau cover is my own design. I didn't
like the zipper style so I used a piece of the same material and had
some velcro sewn on the edges.
14 Gusting to 20
...40 to 60 degree left cross wind.
I should not have been flying yesterday but had a commitment with
some guys at a Young Eagles event 40 miles from here and decided to
keep it. My job was not all that important, cooking the hot dogs,
but it was a reason to fly so off I went.
The wind has been out of the northeast here for a week with that
huge high over NE Canada. Its been cool, cloudy and gusty every day
by noon. It is a part of the mess on the east coast that won't go
away, its still raining this morning in South Carolina.
The wind picked up by noon and I considered parking the 8 and
begging a ride home with one to the guys in his pick up but what the
heck, Columbus took a chance and look what happened. The plan was to
use 20 flaps, 10 knots more speed than normal and ask for the wide
runway (100') at Spirit.
Much to my relief, it all worked out. Wheel landed left wing low at
70 knots, let is slowly slow down staying reasonably straight with
rudder, lowered the tail and got on tail wheel steering. The wind
may have calmed a bit just as all this happened but still was
somewhat of a challenge with the constantly changing velocity and
It is risky, landing and taking off a tail dragger. I never thought
about it with the 7A or any other trike but the tail wheel operation
is a full time job. On the first take off the nose really took off
to the left because I was not paying close attention outside
checking the engine parameters, the A/F ratio gage in particular for
The operation requires full attention especially when the wind is
misbehaving. I am thinking of removing that gage so as to not have
to look at its unreliable data.
The RV-8...#83261 flying as of 6/16/2014
The Art of Pushbutton Flying - Getting the Most out of your Dynon
Status Report ...Dave Ford
Finally got the cabin top filled, sanded, filled, sanded enough
to shoot some primer on.
Testing Homebuilt Aircraft...2nd edition by Vaughan Askue
How to begin
Handling Qualities - stability
Handling Qualities - control
Pitot Static system
Sign Up for the RV-6/6A 30th Year Celebration at AirVenture '16
To my RV Family of Friends!
Charlie Becker (of EAA) and I have been working on a sign-up sheet
for AirVenture 2016, and it's ready for 'beta' testing exclusively
here on VAF
If you are planning on attending next year's 30th Anniversary
Celebration of the RV-6/6A by flying in with any model RV,
please sign-up here on the
If you have suggestions to improve the registration form, by all
means, pass them on. We can then update/finalize the form and
release it to the General Public via EAA SPORT Magazine and such at
a later date.
I look forward to seeing AirVenture 2016 SHATTER
any previous records for RVs flying into OSH!!!! Let the
Keep poundin' them rivets because it's ALL worth it!!!
10/2/2015 0002Z. #3,959.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and
Sign Up for the RV-6/6A 30th Year Celebration at AirVenture '16
To my RV Family of Friends!
Charlie Becker (of EAA) and I have been working on a sign-up sheet
for AirVenture 2016, and it's ready for 'beta' testing exclusively
here on VAF
If you are planning on attending next year's 30th Anniversary
Celebration of the RV-6/6A by flying in with any model RV,
please sign-up here on the
If you have suggestions to improve the registration form, by all
means, pass them on. We can then update/finalize the form and
release it to the General Public via EAA SPORT Magazine and such at
a later date.
I look forward to seeing AirVenture 2016 SHATTER
any previous records for RVs flying into OSH!!!! Let the
Keep poundin' them rivets because it's ALL worth it!!!
Eagle's Nest Projects - Young Eagles Yearbook features Austin Malcomb
N507RV "Sweet Escape" Engine Out ...[ed.
Our online friend Bryon Graves off field landing. Both OK.
I have not been on here a lot lately so have lost contact with a
lot of great people I have met and spoke with along my journey of
building N507RV. I am sad to say "Sweet Escape" suffered a loss of
engine Sunday 9/20 while I was flying a local flight. I am very
thankful to report me and my girlfriend walked away from the
incident with minor scratches. I feel the 5 point Crow harnesses and
the fact that I had a sliding canopy contributed a lot to our
Here is the preliminary NTSB report that explains what I
The NTSB is still in the process of investigating the reason for
what I believe was ignition failure based on what happened. My LASAR
magnetos were just recently rebuilt 6 months ago due to experiencing
a gradual little rougher than normal engine run ups. The mags have
appeared to be running strong for the last 20 hours or so of flight
the last 6 months. I am not sure what the outcome is going to be
with my insurance company as there is quite a bit of damage to the
vertical stabilizer, left wing, fuselage, and canopy. I may end up
having to rebuild another aircraft or find a project that someone
has ready for an engine, panel, and paint to finish up since my time
is very limited to involve anther 2,400 hours plus of build time.
Again, I am very happy to walk away from the incident and happy the
RV air frame is as strong as it was. I will always have many
memories in this aircraft and will always treasure the many photos I
have on my walls being sponsored and supported by GoPro.
(in later reply)
Dan, I was able to slow the plan down to about 25-30 mph while on
the rear gear only holding off the front gear until it finally came
down. The field was very muddy and was doing all I could to keep the
airplane straight using rudder control to prevent cartwheeling as we
were fish tailing back and forth in the mud. It ended up being an
alfalfa field they sock every night, however from the air looked
like short crops such as strawberries. My front nose wheel was
updated per the SB 07-11-09 nose gear service bulletin from Van's.
The field was so muddy, unfortunately a tip over was pretty much
inevitable. The canopy cracked on the top where it hit during the
front tip over. I am grateful I had a sliding canopy as the frame of
the slider served as a roll bar to protect me and my girlfriend. The
tip up may have been a different story since there is no support
around the plexiglass canopy. We were trapped under the airplane,
however once I determined we still being supported by the tail, I
was able to kick out the sides of the canopy and escape.
Switchbox Remote New Product
Switchbox Control is entering year 5 for the popular Switchbox
Remote Pre-Heat starter. We spent time this summer photographing RVs
(attached) and updating the free Iphone, Ipad and Android Apps for
Switchbox, so they all offer the same useful features for
remote-starting your aircraft pre-heater or cabin heater. Download
for free here.
$199 VAF PILOTS - Switchbox Remote Pre-Heat - New Product
iPhone or iPad here - Free
Android here - Free
Also, If there is any interest here,
we have a new product for the VAF forum.
Switchbox "Strip" model, only $199.
We have not officially launched it yet, but its ready for sale if we
get enough interest.
Email below if you would like more info
SwitchBox Strip $199
- 2 individual outlets controlled via SMS or Phone Call/Free
- 6' Power cord
- 1000W total power handling capacity
- Works with free Iphone, Ipad, Android and Web Apps
- External removable Antenna
Accessories available on our website
- SIM Card
- Wired Antenna
* Below are the features different from our original SwitchBox unit
- Not weather sealed
- No SIM card included with credit and online account access
- No Wired Antenna included
- 1000W Strip vs 1800W Original Unit
- Can not run Engine Heater + Cabin Heater (1000W max limit)
Details below for Original Unit
The easiest, cheapest and safest way to remote control any
For Pilots: No more driving to the airport hours before a flight.
Turn on your Engine Heater from your cellphone, and simplify your
cold flying routine! TIP: Activate a 2nd device like a Cabin Heater
for your sensitive avionics, or a Coffee Maker before you arrive!
For General Use: Your new 'Smart Home'
with the easy automation from SwitchBox. Remote control your
heating, lighting and air conditioning, from anywhere in the world.
TIP: Turn On the A/C before you get home, or check to see if you
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10/1/2015 0001Z. #3,958.
There are Heroes Among Us ...jdwky
I am constantly in awe of the brotherhood of the
Vans/Experimental flying world. Since joining your ranks, I have
met, and continue to meet, the most outstanding men/women who are
involved with these aircraft. Let me tell you about just one such
He may or may not prefer to be named, so I will just call him
Friend. My wife and I were flying home one evening recently from a
wedding when I noticed the alternator had seemingly failed. Being
overcast for hundreds of miles and still 2.5 hours from home, I
decided best to land while I still have juice (I'm all electric).
Pulling up to the ramp at 5:30PM, the lineman said, "Well the
maintenance shop just left for the day but I might know one fella
who could help you". Then I met my new Friend.
He was hanging out in his hangar, which held some beautiful RV's,
and was probably getting ready to go home and eat dinner. This
generous, caring, friendly man proceeded to spend the next 6 hours
of his life helping my wife and I get our plane repaired and back
home. We drove to no less than 4 auto parts stores until we found
one that had the alternator we needed. Not only did he replace my
alternator, he also demonstrated many other tips and tricks that
will be very useful to me.
By the time I took back off for home, I felt like we were old
buddies, and I hope to see him again in the future. This is Pay
It Forward at it's best. I look forward to Paying It Forward to
one of you out there someday too. I'm based at Bowman Field KLOU if
y'all need anything. I could have just as easily been stranded at a
random airport, spending the night, waiting for a maintenance shop
to open up, but I sure got lucky that night and am forever grateful
to my new friend and the entire RV/exp./aviation community. Thank
you sir and fly safe, you are our hero!
Using the Rating Carefully ...jpowell13
Left Baton Rouge for Chattanooga by way of Jackson,TN last
Thursday. We had good VFR weather for the first leg and spent a
couple of nights with family in Jackson. ATC could not see my
transponder. I had had problems before, but only occasionally and
intermittent. This issue was not going away, so I borrowed a few
tools from my brother in law and extracted the unit. Thought it
might be dirty contacts and while trying to clean those at the back
of the tray found the real problem; a crimped on wire connector used
to extend a shield wire for my Garmin 400W had gotten snagged and
trapped at the upper left corner of my transponder tray. This was
enough to prevent the unit from seating properly and caused the
intermittent lose of connection. Builder error! Works perfectly now.
I think I have uneven airflow
I now have about 90 hours on my RV7. Now that I have worked out
the major kinks, I am trying to refine it a little. I have noticed
that on all my flights, 1/3 CHT's and EGT's run hotter than 2/4
while ROP, however once LOP, 1/3 are my coolest cylinders. When I
say hotter, the CHT's are about 20 deg hotter and the EGT's almost
100 deg hotter. When LOP, the CHT's are 60 deg cooler and EGT's 100
This tells me that 1/3 are getting better airflow, thus run leaner
Furthermore, my GAMI spread is about 1.5 with 1/3 peaking first.
So, what can I do? Right now I have the standard ECI updraft sump
that came with my Titan engine. I have heard that the Superior sump
is better balanced than the stock Lycoming or ECI. Does anyone have
any real world experience with this?
Another option is to heat wrap my 1/3 induction tubes, but I think
this would just be a patch for the real problem.
If a new sump is the best choice, has anyone swapped out their
superior updraft for cold air induction and would be willing to sell
me their old sump?
Can someone tell me what this port is for?
LOE'15 Update ...Russ Daves
Good news - Banquet tickets are guaranteed for all registrations
even on Saturday afternoon. T-Shirts are not Guaranteed unless
minimum number of paid registrations are received by 10/06/15,
otherwise paid registrations will have choice of $35.00 registration
or a free $20.00raffle ticket.
ALSO we are over $5,000.00 in raffle prizes.
Again with the fingerprints!
Coming to an airport near you ...BigD
Recently released reconnaissance photo snapped at the fabled
Monkworks facility hidden deep in rural south Georgia:
First Engine Start ...airguy
Fast Back RV-3 ...mmcdonald
Picture of my fuselage after riveting bottom and sides. Was
wondering about fabricating a fast back mod, and doing a Spitfire
paint scheme? Know RV-4 do this mod, what about an RV-3?
9/30/2015 0004Z. #3,957.
2,421 Pages of IFR Reference Material For Free
I've been using the native
iBooks app on my iPad mini (and iPhone) for the last several
weeks to help prepare for the oral part of the IFR checkride.
I'm guessing many of you know this, but on the chance that you
haven't heard of it yet, you can download for free over 2,000 pages
of IFR reference material from the FAA website to your tablet/phone.
The game changer in doing this is that the reader on the tablet
has a search feature that will allow you to quickly find what
you are looking for.
How to read all those weather charts. All the cloud
clearance requirements in all the airspaces. The 72 types of
approaches (seems like 72 sometimes). That little symbol on
the airport diagram that indicates if they have arresting gear (and
which direction). And more....all that stuff you learn and
immediately forget. In your pocket.
I downloaded the ones marked below with a red arrow.
The documents are
Screen grab below annotated with number of pages in each document in
red of my iPad Mini's iBooks app. Not too long ago this
was a pile of books you could barely lift in your backpack.
(click to enlarge)
As an example of the search feature, below is a screen grab of
the Instrument Flying Handbook where I told it to search for
the term "VDP". It quickly found five references in the 371
pages, and tapping on one of them will take me to that location in
the document. I assumed iBooks would let me search across
multiple documents, but that currently isn't the case...one doc at a
time for now.
(click to enlarge)
Anywho, if you didn't know about the free PDF reference docs at
FAA.gov, now you do. I also have PDF workshop manuals for our
cars on the iPad, but that's another story....
What a couple weeks of IFR training looks like.....
(click to enlarge)
And in the "That's my RV-6 on the Drudge Report!"
I checked the Drudge Report a minute ago (9/29/15 6:53pm CDT) and
saw my airplane in one of the rotating ads!
Saddlebackleather.com is a VAF advertiser, and I let them photograph
the plane a few months back. I know it's probably a cookie
thing, but still, pretty cool. Screen grab before it
(click to enlarge)
From the photoshoot...and no that's not me.
9/29/2015 0001Z. #3,956.
Seen at 'The Van Cave'
Rob 'Mashy' Reece, my friend of 20 years, coworker for 10 years
and hangar renter for two years is getting ready to paint the
interior of his RV-8 project. Picture taken today. Progress!
(6) Rebuilt Squeezers FS ...Bob Avery
Panel Status ...Lucio in Italy
New Home/Hangar Update ...hydroguy2
September update...still not much progress. I broke my hand
working on the hangar. Finally started flying last week a little.
Cast and all. But construction work is slow.
Out and About Sighting ...Craig23
My neighbor was heading to the airport behind me a few weeks ago
and snapped this photo as I taxied out for an evening flight in
Grass Strip Entry ...Vlad
What If? ...DaveG
It wasn't too very long ago that I said, and I quote, "The
interesting dichotomy of the autopilot is that it makes be both a
better pilot (tons of information at my finger tips and time to read
it) and a worse pilot (I don't hand fly nearly as much as I used
9/28/2015 0003Z. #3,955.
The weekend flew by for our family. My
92-year-old mother-in-law spent the weekend, and between Mass, a
football game, accounting/email work and a Formula 1 race on the
distraction box I didn't get much done airplane-wise. My
sister-in-law attended Mass lead by Pope Francis in Philly on Sunday.
Better than watching the Cowgirls lose...which is how I wasted *my*
time. Audrey drove out for dinner Friday night between study
sessions for her Chemistry midterm, which was a wonderful treat. "Would
you like to spend the night?" "No, I need to wake up Saturday morning
at 7 AM so I can meet with the study group." Contemplate the
significance of that last sentence one more time… She's her
The weather was really nice around North Texas this weekend, and I
hope it was where you live, too. Hoping also you got to get off the
surface or at least work on your project some.
Good morning and have a nice Monday,
September 2015 Ottawa-Colorado RV9A vacation
...Alfio and Shirly trip write-up
For us, September is a great time to travel especially with
regards to weather. This year we aimed for travelling towards
Colorado and visit some sites along the way.
DIY Dog ear muffs
Our airplanes are noisy and we all need the best ear
protection...My dog (min-pin) goes on most trips with us and needs
here own ear protection. So I set out to make her a more comfortable
Using an Oregon Aero foam upgrade set I had from an old DC headset I
cut and glued to form a cup shape, also glueing on the low density
foam after. I used shoe goo.
AOG ---Emergency landing at South Bend, IN - need local advice
As I was flying over South Bend Airport at 9000, the IO540 in my
RV-10 started to shake real bad and that in when I noticed the #3
cylinder temps dropped right to nothing. I I mediated declare an
emergency and landed fine. Looking for advice on service people in
or on the field. ......
Ray Doerr. N519RV
I managed to taxi the airplane over to the maintenance hangar, the
mechanics there were trying to help but we're busy with other
things. I pulled the top and bottom fowl, both spark plugs (fine
wire), injector and every they that checked out OK. Next I ran the
boost pump while mixture was full rich and throttle crack about
1/4". This showed fuel leaking near the sump at the joint where the
rubber tubes and clamps are located, but #3 was leaking less then
#1. I wiped this area up real good and tried to boost pump again,
this clearly showed it was leaking. We tightened up all the clamps
and that corrected the issue for now.
I did a full engine run up on the ramp with the cowl off and had the
mechanic watch for any signed of leaks and it was all good. I then
managed to get out of there and head to Port Huron, not my final
destination, but one step closer to Canada. I will fly the last
couple of legs today with an added stop at Aircraft Spruce Canada at
CYFD for new intake gaskets and tubes and some clamps for good
measure. I buy some extra to add to my tool kit I fly with.
All I can say is it is very important to have tools and some
supplies when presented with this kind of issue when away from home.
If I had not had the tools and the know how, I would have still been
stuck there waiting.
Thanks everyone for the help!
I had a similar event occur to my RV about a month ago - engine
shaking, complete loss of EGT, and rapidly decreasing CHT's due to
the cylinder not firing. All of the sudden, the issue resolved
itself in the air for the remainder of the flight. After on the
ground, I discovered I had a sticking exhaust valve. To me, your
issue sounds like more than just an induction leak.
Do yourself a favor and perform a "wobble test" on the intake and
exhaust valves of your suspect cylinders. This test should be
performed every 400 hours per Lycoming.
Check out my thread on how to dig into this issue
Some airshow clips ...Christopher Murphy RV-4
I ran the go pro on a couple flights at Rocky Mountain Airshow
2015 in August. Put it together without music and added a few
comments. Some might enjoy it...
FS- MOST USELESS AND EXPENSIVE PANEL ITEM ...Bruce Eicher
(comedy) "We all love to have the finest components;
Now I have just the item for you to complete your dream panel.
No need for wiring, this one will shine and sparkle with just a
little ambient light. Hand crafted of 14kt yellow gold,
weighing in at .6 ounce, 13/16 x 2 ½ “, 76 full cut, G color, SI1
clarity diamonds, 2.28 carat total weight. (Different N#s will
9/25/2015 0004Z. #3,954.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV–filled
Sault St Marie, Michigan ...RKellogg trip write-up
Last month we flew up to Sault St Marie, MI, from our base near
Chicago, had a great time! We like to find destinations that are
walkable. We landed at Sanderson Airport, walked to hotel, walked to
riverfront and locks, walked to boat tour (great fun!), walked to
restaurant overlooking the locks, walked to hotel, walked to
airport. The boat tour went through the locks, up and back, and did
a side tour through a steel mill slip, very interesting for
technical guys, co-pilot didn't appreciate it as much. Felt good to
sit down for a while. Scenic lakeshores, simple airspace, no rental
car needed. Mission accomplished!
RV-4 Dust Award Update ...Jstov (Australia)
Well it has been a long time sine I have updated this thread but
work has continued. I have replaced both rear spars on the wings due
to a misdrilled hole in the wing spar/carry through attach point.
Lower firewall has been replaced and I installed the angle
reinforcements like the rv-8 to beef it up even more. I have rebuilt
the left and right elevators because the OB had bad warps in them
and they did not line up. I also found that the ailerons had been
misdrilled on the hinges so I still need to rebuild those. The
engine has been torn apart and overall does not look bad internally
so hopefully I will win on that one once I start sending the parts
out. All the parts have been stripped and only have the right wing
and a few small pieces to prime. I ended up using a two part epoxy
zinc chromate that I am very happy with. That stuff is tough as
nails. Right wing need to be stripped and primed and ailerons built
and I might be putting parts back together soon. Basically there
will not be a part on this airplane that has not been inspected for
plans conformity and correct construction. I am rapidly approaching
the 90% done 90% left to go stage!
Acro & a sighting device ...acroflyrgirl
Anyone had any success finding a workable sighting device?
Specifically for a 6 in my case. I'm going to try
this......but not sure if it will work.
Attacking Hot #2 ...Steve M.
With some help from Michael Robinson (Toobuilder) and Pete
Howell, I finally got around to attacking my hot #2 cylinder. It was
always the hottest in climb at full throttle, and also a bit hotter
than the rest in cruise. I had already tried the washer trick on
both #2 and #3, but neither seemed to help that much. Given that
lack of success, I pretty much followed Michael's approach this time
Glass Panel Status Report ...Guto
I'm very anxious for inaugural flying next month!! I'm
using a G3x Touch, 3 display system with TCAS GTS800 and a WX500
Stormscope (very useful here in Brazil). I'm also using TSO Backup
Flight Instruments. In the picture, it is missing the GTN-650,
it will go above VHF Radio GTR-225.
Cylinder Head Baffle Wrap Gap
9/24/2015 0001Z. #3,953.
Nearly an RV-4 ...David Taylor status report
Hi all. Engine run complete.3 minor adjustments made,and
first taxi test successful. W+B then paper work left.
Reno RV PIREP ...Bob Mills
Jason and the RV gang did a really superb job at the races this
year. We talked about Jason's speed compared to John Huft's (the
host of my first SARL race…where the addiction set in for many of
us). To be compared to John is a true compliment, and one Jason has
earned! Dave Anders is probably next on his targeting computer…and
is still the king of 4-banger RV speed, AFAIK. But Jason's hard work
on his plane has, and will, pay off…expect more great things from
him! Along with Jason, Stan Sutterfield, Skylor Piper (who has
already posted here), Jim Wilson, Stephen Christopher, Tim Cone, Dan
West, George Ford, Ben Fouts, Matt Beaubien, Charlie Greer, Seth
Baker and Scott Prewitt all provided a ton of racing excitement to
the record crowds! Rocketeers Bill Beaton, Shane Margraves and Chris
Schaich did more of the same. Bill has done amazing things with his
HRII; "The Alien" ('cause Rockets can't do what his does) and
"Rattle-Can Rovey" have definitely set the bar! Expect the rest of
us to give good chase next year!!
Something that should make the VAF family very proud: On Saturday of
race week, the AirBoss, the Contest Committee, the Pylon Judges, and
RARA leadership all said that the morning start of the Medallion
Heat was the finest start of any race that any of them had EVER seen
at Reno! Huge compliment…and they were all RVs…just sayin'!
Tam Airlines Air Museum ...Guilhermepilot
Photos, Data and Lab Report of Probable Cause Doc #WPR14LA046
...Jason Rovey post
TFR N.TX Red Bull Air Races
The red bull air races are going on this weekend near my home
field (52F in N.TX), and there is a TFR in effect that encompasses
the field. As noted in the screen grab below with a red arrow, you
can contact this individual for instructions on how to get out and
get back in. I called and it's no biggie, they just want to run a
few guidelines over the phone to you before you launch. Call
the # if you're flying out/in to 52F the next three days.
Advice for Newbies Thread ...ron sterba entry
Ok newbies, this is essential if you have a engine in storage in
your hangar and you lack a De-humidifier in the hangar you'll need
to keep your engine cyclinders close to moisture free. Buy a set of
four tempory fake spark plugs. These plugs have a glass tube filled
with moisture absorbing compound. This compound when TOTALLY DRY is
one color,as the moisture starts to absorb into the compound,the
compound changes color. In my case my compound is BRIGHT BLUE when
dry but as it absorbs moisture from the cylinder it changes to a
lite Pink Color.meaning moisture is in the compound and it needs to
be dried out.I take the compound out of the vial and put it on a
plate and place a shielded small work (60 watt) light you over the
plate but not in direct contact with the compound, maybe 5" awaycan
also place the compound on a tray and place it in your oven on
lowest heat and this will also be a effective way to dry the
compound. As my compound dries out it turns back to a color of dark
blue. Meaning the moisture is gone out of the compound.simaliar
compound you'll see those little bags in shipping boxes to keep the
contents from being damaged by moisture,like rust or corrosion.
These are a must have. Now I'll have to ask the van members where
these plugs can be bought. I have a set installed but can't remember
where I bought them from?
9/23/2015 0058Z. #3,952.
In the fake soup w/Plaster
Continuing to work on IFR buttonology in the computer age -
a.k.a. "is it doing what I think it's doing". With beta
testing wristwatch (link)
tracking the flight, and gpsvisualizer.com later turning the data
set into something Google Earth likes, here are the grabs...
freckles and all.
(click to enlarge)
An overview of the flight (above) with approach plates
superimposed on the ground track at 40% opacity (photoshop). Take
off on runway 17 52F followed by a left climbing turnout, hood on,
ATIS at Alliance Airport, contact the tower, join the localizer
north of WIGZU and down to missed at 200' AGL on the
ILS 16L approach. Climbing left turn out at missed back to 52F,
and just outside of Alliance's airspace set up for the Decatur
RNAV 17 GPS approach with the initial approach fix at ZUMKI.
(click to enlarge)
This screen grab above shows the hand flown ILS 16 into Alliance
Airport. Not too horrible…
(click to enlarge)
The arrival back at 52F (south is up). Crossed midfield West to
East at 1,640 feet entering a left downwind for runway 17. I like
two things from the screen grab, the first being the nice circular
nature of the ground track. The second being that I didn't go too
far over FM1171, the road at the bottom of the screen. The student
pilots on our field often go miles beyond this point it seems. I
bounced the landing a little bit, much to the chagrin of Gary.
Cutting me no slack…
Photo of the watch I am testing after the flight. Shows the
ground track of a large portion of the flight. The little flattened
part in the bottom left corner is the autopilot taking me into the
teardrop entry of the hold after going missed at Decatur (HIRGO).
Halfway through the teardrop I entered direct back to my home field.
I've posted stuff like this before, but I just can't seem to get
over how neat it really is to be able to track a flight so
precisely, and then relive it from multiple angles later on your
computer. Still figuring out what the watch, and panel, will
do...and am wondering if I will ever really get a grasp of all that
is possible. It makes tracking a flight, and then looking at
it later overlaid on GoogleMaps fairly painless. That's what I use
it most for, well, and for telling me the time.
I have a love/hate relationship with technology. It's
amazing....and it sucks.
Thanks Gary for the CFII time, and for not beating me up too
And have a good Wednesday,
Last of the High Speed Runs ...radial RV-8 vid
How to trim the Ego!!
Well it was a fine Saturday morning, tail kit inventoried, time
to start the first job. Simple enough read and reread, match drilled
the doubler plate to the forward vertical spar .... looking good....
reread to make sure I had it on the right side. reread then promptly
countersunk the holes on the plate the wrong way.... congratulations
I said to myself !!! Anyway easy enough plate to remanufacture.
By lunchtime Sunday had the vert stab ready for riveting .... the
rivets on the rear spar started to look so much better when you wind
the air pressure down from 100 psi to 40 I notice!!...... great kit.
Panel Powered Up ...Richard Boyer
Panel Critique Please
Pitot Cover ...plan 'B' for Vlad
9/22/2015 0001Z. #3,951.
Apologies for the smaller issue today - root canal in spousal unit.
Me nurse. This getting old thing kinda blows at times...not to
mention pricey. Ugh.
Air Races trip
Corrosion under plastic
I didn't want to hijack the thread about countersinking that this
came from. I've seen this topic come up from time to time and I
wanted to comment. 23 years building on two projects and I've never
seen corrosion under the plastic. Not to say it doesn't happen
but... the plastic is over aluminum cladding, so why would it
corrode? Something like dissimilar metals or a reaction to the
adhesive? I'm guessing what people are seeing as surface corrosion
is actually the adhesive getting old but, again, I could be wrong.
However, to answer why you'd want to drill and countersink with the
plastic on (or dimple, etc.) is to preserve the cladding. The
plastic helps prevent the ribs from scoring inside the leading edges
of the skins, for instance, during assembly. If you are going to
prime, no big deal, but even then I didn't see any reason to risk
gouging the cladding if I can avoid it.
My lastest Youtube Video
Year RV-4 Operating Costs ...Rick RV-4
Quick napkin math for me:
Insurance: $290 (liability only)
Maintenance: $400 (I do the Cond Insp since I'm the builder)
Garmin Pilot subscription: $75
Fuel/Oil: $34 per hour x 50 hours: $1,700
Total per hour for 50 hours per yr: $85 per hour
Would be $60 per hour if I flew 100 hours per year which I hope to
do when I retire next month.
Found another mission for the RV4
Trutrak Eco manual!
RV NFL flyover-USAA commercial
Eagle's Nest Projects - Brent Crabe (Conroe, TX) Donates RV-12 Emp/Tailcone
New Garmin G3X Touch Videos
9/21/2015 0001Z. #3,950.
Belfast Fly-in Pics ...Vlad
passengers just steal your heart ...Ron Schreck RV-8
I have to tell you what happened at the aerobatic contest last
Tony Zorn is a pilot that I have known for some time. He flies a
great routine with his single-seat DR-107, One Design in the
advanced category. Tony was at the East Coast Aerobatic Contest in
Warrenton, Virginia last weekend and his son, Cody was there to
compete in his first contest and was flying his dad's airplane. Cody
brought his whole family, wife and four little kids to the contest
and they camped on the airport in their motor home. Cody's oldest
daughter, Esther is nine years old and a great fan of anything that
flies. She had been looking forward to the contest for weeks because
maybe there would be an opportunity for her to fly. You see, Tony's
airplane is a single-seater and although Esther enjoyed watching her
dad and grandfather fly she really wanted to be IN the airplane.
There were a couple of two-seat airplanes at the contest but Tony
felt that I was the only pilot he trusted to fly his precious
granddaughter so he asked me to take her up. Tony told Esther that
she would be flying with a very experienced pilot who had flown jet
fighters, had flown in the war, flew passenger jets and even flew in
air shows! Esther showed up at the airplane, bursting with
excitement and told me I had the prettiest airplane she had ever
seen. (She was going to get a great ride!) I strapped her in the
back seat and off we went. Esther is a small child and I didn't have
a booster cushion so in order for her to see all the sights on the
ground I kept turning back and forth so she could see over the
canopy rail. Esther marveled at the sights and giggled every time we
twisted and turned. She was one of the best passengers I have ever
flown with. She gave me a big hug when we got back on the ground and
politely thanked me over and over.
I guess aerobatic competition is mostly a younger man's sport but a
few women and even fewer old farts like me can be found at contests.
I don't dwell on the fact that I'm often the oldest pilot at the
contest, but Tony brought it home when he told me what Esther told
her mom about her flight with me: "Mister Ron" she said "flew jets
in the Civil War!"
Pink Slip ...Pat Stewart
Status Report ...Closterman
5 years since I do this post ! My first in VAF, but not the last
! 5 years of work on my RV-7 and i'm near the end of the
project. I have learn a lot of things in this 5 years, I had a lot
of fun, some discouraging moment but I always found a way to come
back ! I hope to be ready to fly next summer, and finaly post my
successfull test flight report ! Keep pounding those rivets guys,
it's so fun to build an aircraft ...
Day! ...Pete Howell
I started the canopy of my RV-7 in late June. The temps here in
AZ can be unbearable at times. For instance I took a month off from
the project. Not because I wanted to, because no matter how many
fans blowing air I had they could not ease the uncomfortable working
conditions of relentless 115+ degree days in July. I was able to
sneak in an hour here and an hour there to feel I was not completely
at a halt.
see light thru the wing tip
Another failed Alternator Experience (N.D.) - Any idea where the pulley comes
Status Report ...KatieB
My first attempt at a trim tab fits! And it's not
Here's a nice video of Ron Schreck's recent Freestyle flight, which was a close
Charity Hat Sighting ...Paul K
( About the charity cap
David's Sighting ...Dvalcik
( About the charity cap
Aerodynamix Lights ...Richard Boyer install pics
Panel Update ...Richard Boyer
9/18/2015 0001Z. #3,949.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend.
"Pink" Slip Issued today ...Dave Paradis
Where do I begin? From the start, Nov 2005 empennage kit
purchased and wing kit ordered, Dec 2006 Used Lyc O-360 purchased,
Dec 2007 Fuselage kit ordered, June 2008, youngest son Robert (my
master bucker) graduates HS and Oldest son Ryan graduates college,
July 2009 Oldest son gets married, Jan 2010 Finish kit ordered, Sept
2010 Bucketload of avionics purchased, Dec 2010 Classic Aero Leather
Heated Seats and interior, keep going there is a finish line. Feb
2011 Granddaughter born, Just installed used engine discovered with
a cracked crankcase, remove disassemble and basically overhaul, Sept
2011 father passes away intending to be my first passenger. Keep
going, cut canopy, fiberglass, epoxy, priming, painting. March 2012
wife has open heart surgery, keep going, move project to airport
hangar, install wings, GASP drill rear spar attach bolt hole, Whew!
more parts added, electrical wires terminated, systems tested,
prelube engine, calibrate fuel tanks, Oh my gosh it starts and runs
smoothly! Today a DAR accompanied by the FAA reviewed, prodded,
poked, questioned and finally handed it over. 2,456 man hours,
$66,899, 3,584 days (9years, 9 months, 24 days) Empty Weight 1053 or
$63.53 a pound what a deal!
My wife says it looks like a pink slip, I said its because I have
been laid off as a builder and must now be an operator.
Flightline Interiors now has products for the RV-14, RV-14A
(from Abby) "Seats, interior pieces and Crow Harnesses.
With more to be added. Visit
RV-4 With Automobile engine ground run up ...video
This San Antonio company covers things in and makes things out of
leather, and their ad is now on the front page. Check out the
iPad Mini case I picked up (below) awhile back. Slides out of
the top quickly for snapping in the holder in the plane.
Protecting my 'mobile office' and flight planning device.
Two Hangar Spots For Rent On My Field
North Texas (52F). Hangar owner Gary Platner.
$300/mo. Spots notated w/red arrow. All utilities and
more. Bottom spot has an apartment, if you're interested in
that. Gary's contact info is: gplatner737 'at' verizon
'dot' net and (817)800-1060. Please don't let the fact that
you're 100 ft from me scare you. <g>
Obligatory RV Grin Picture ...Saville
Well it took a few months but I have my obligatory RV grin
picture. Took my sister flying this afternoon and she had a ball. So
she could take the picture. One look at the picture will tell you
why I hate to have my picture taken.
So I've included a shot of the airplane - much more photogenic...
Pecan Plantation Fly-In This Weekend
For Sale: RV-12 Flying
Probable Cause Database Updated
...(17) new probable cause
documents added to the list since the last update. There are
now (555) probable cause docs
with 'RV' in the model column going back to 1/1/1990 for you to
PLEASE discuss and learn!
9/17/2015 0015Z. #3,948.
The other day I received an e-mail from my RV flying buddy Bill
Goeken asking if I would like to do a little formation practice in a
few days. A handful of the local usual suspects were included on
that e-mail. Getting the kid off to school and the normal morning
routine in our household kept me from doing it, but I figured I
would show up sometime while it was going on.
As I was driving through the airport I could see various vehicles
sprinkled around - folks that I figured were in the flight.
Continuing on down to where I keep my stuff, I turned on my handheld
radio and flipped over to 122.75. I was just lowering the tailgate
and about to bite into my breakfast when I heard Bill's voice say
something about monitoring 22.9. So I switched over there and
waited. After 10 seconds or so they switched over and finished
checking in, so I figured they were somewhere pretty close. About
another minute went by and I hear Bill's voice, "Lurch Flight, go
I reached in my pocket for my phone and got the picture above as
they passed over my hangar door. How is that for a companion to your
McMuffin? I need to paint that door...
After the pass they broke into two flights of three and spread
out for an extended initial, overhead, and landing sequence. They
had changed lead by this time, and the first group of three led by
Grumpy was on about a 4 mile initial. There was a high wing just
turning on downwind which I hoped was going to land and stay down.
I thought I'd keep an eye on that guy for the gang just in case. I
heard Grump key his mic and ask if there was anybody in the pattern.
About that time the high wing turned off the runway and announced
that the runway was clear (but not the pattern). Sometimes on
our field you can't hear planes on the ground. My chance
I know what Stan and the others were thinking. Is there a
no-radio, no transponder Cub in the pattern? Someone about to
take off with the radio set wrong? Anything that screws up a
6-ship arrival. I depressed the push to talk button and said,
"Grumpy, Krash, the pattern is empty as far as I can tell."
My thinking is this helped out Grump in more than one way. First, it
told him some information that he wanted, but didn't already have.
That is the obvious. But second, it told him that there was a guy on
the ground with eyeballs out who understands the mechanics of a
multi-ship arrival, and what can go wrong when an unforeseen
airplane gets thrown in the blender. Maybe it lowered the
stress just a tiny bit. I know it would have if I were lead.
While I didn't get to fly, at least I got to contribute a tiny
bit, and in my own mind think that maybe I helped. At least I got a
picture, and that made the drive out to the airport a business
It was a nice breakfast.
Have a nice Thursday and good morning,
RV Article in IAC Mag ...Balls Coggin
This month's Sport Aerobatics features an excellent
no-nonsense article by VAFer Patric "Balls" Coggin where he nails
some of the issues surrounding the cautious apprehension many RV
pilots carry on the subject of getting involved with competition
acro. One correction - RVs have the same G rating as most
Pitts' (+6/-3). Hopefully this piece will be a positive nudge for
RV-8 Status Report ...Dennis Enns
C-FDTQ saw the light of day today. All taken apart and getting
ready for paint.
9/16/2015 0014Z. #3,947.
New Zealand story link
Front wheel valve stem cap hitting fork
I have fitted the tube supplied in the kit to the front wheel.
After installation of the wheel into the front fork I found that the
tire would not rotate without the valve stem cap hitting the front
fork. Van's replied the solution is to remove the cap. I'm not happy
with this solution. Goodyear aviation tire manual states, "Make
certain that every valve has a cap to retain inflation and prevent
dirt, oil, and moisture from damaging the core."
Does anyone know of a tube that has a shorter valve stem that would
allow the tire to be fitted with its cap and thus remain airworthy?
Gap too big between f-702 and f-771
Working on my tip-up RV7A. When i was working on the f-702 skin
and f-771, i had an acceptable 0.032 gap as suggested in
instructions. However, after i continued working on the canopy
frame, and am getting ready to start work on canopy itself, i find
the gap has increased to 3/32 on the top portion. No idead how. On
the sides it is less than 1/32. I tried to close the gap but it is
not working. A lot has been drilled and clecoed/riveted to allow any
movement in skin. Should i just leave it alone? if for aesthetic
reasons i can live with that but what i do not know if this will
affect canopy install or not. Any suggestions?
v2.7 of Vac's Transition Training Manual Online
"Version 2.7 Summary of Changes
Overall, this version primarily continues to tweak Vne discussion.
If you’ve looked at the previous couple of editions, you can see how
this has evolved over the past couple of months. I hope there is now
zero.zero ambiguity regarding this very small end of the airspeed
band as it applies to RV-types for the purpose of familiarization
and training: only exceed Vno with caution, treat Vne as TAS at all
altitudes, and do not exceed Vne under any circumstances. There are
some other minor changes for readability and a few hyperlinks have
been added or corrected.
Special shout-out to Kevin Horton and my buddy Dave Evans for
(patiently) helping properly edit the discussion and keeping me
coloring inside the lines."
Reamer bit vs Drill bit & Deburring questions
I'm working slowly but surely on my RV-10 kit. First part being
the Vertical stabilizer it introduces me to a lot of tools I've not
used. My question is specifically around match drilling and
If I understand correctly then when there are prepunched holes, say
the skin (VS-1001) against the flanges of the front spar (VS-1002),
then I can use the reamer to drill and 'right size' both holes. Do I
still need to deburr each hole inside and out or with the reamer
does it become more of a spot check thing to where if I see bits and
pieces of metal then clear it out.
In the case of match drilling, for example the Read Spar (VS-1003)
and the Rear Spar Caps (VS-1014-L & R), where an actual hole needs
to be drilled through an actual piece then I use a drill bit to
accomplish that. These I assume will always need to be deburred
because so far my experience is a lot of material gets thrown
Another general deburring question is the plans seem to mention
deburring alot. Often it seem like it requests me to deburr the same
parts several times even if I hadn't drilled through them. Is the
general rule that if you have drilled through a part then you deburr
it. For example page 6-3 Step 9 tells you to disassemble the rear
spar and deburr all the holes... wouldn't assume that means the web
holes that you hadn't touched.
One last question on deburring with regards to the skin sides. On
the substructure pieces I use a deburring tool then run them across
a 6" Scotch Brite disk at 3 different angles (45 down, straight and
up). Do I need to do this on the skin edges as well?
Thanks for any help! Hope it makes sense.
Jay Pratt has a hole in his schedule...
... if you want help getting your RV in the air in just a few
Tailwheel technique preference in gusty crosswinds?
So with a bunch of practice, I'm now consistently wheel-landing
the RV-8 with no bounce, and this morning I did two nice
three-pointers with flaps up. So what do y'all prefer in a gusty
crosswind to make rollout easier -- wheel landing or three-point,
flaps up or down?
And what do folks prefer in the other RV taildraggers?
Back Home ...tommylewis
We flew back to TX last Tuesday. Bonnie flew the RV7a and I flew
the RV10. We had some weather to deal with with a line of
thunderstorms was across our route. Thank god for in plane weather.
We ended the summer with 29 hours on the RV10 and 37 hours on the
RV7a. It was a great summer in spite of our maintenance issue. Keep
pounding those rivers as these RVs are great traveling machines.
9/15/2015 0015Z. #3,946.
IAC Contest Report ...ronschreck
"...I was in third after the first round but did well enough with
my free program in the second round and ended up in second place. My
84.8% score for the free program got me a Grass Roots Achievement
medal for highest score in a plane with 180 or less horsepower. I
was surprised that my free program got such nice scores as I
designed the program to be challenging, not to score well. I put an
avalanche (loop with a snap roll at the apex) in the program just to
prove to myself and the skeptics that the RV can indeed do snap
rolls. I got scores of 7.5, 8.5 and 8.5 from the three judges for
Badlands 2015 Photos ...Curtis
Here are a few photos from my trip to this years fly in. After
getting home I noticed that I did not have any pictures of the
people that came to the fly in, only the aircraft on the ramp and
some scenery just to the east of the HSR airport.
Sweating bullets on this one ...cdeerinck
"...My RV-8 Canopy frame sits a good 3" above the rail. The plans
call for it to be only a 3/4" to 5/8" gap. That is a lot of bending,
and I am having a hard time believing that the rail won't bend in a
single location, and possibly crack.
Is that a normal amount to have to remove? I'm trying to figure out
why they make them so far off in this case. The other adjustments
were very minor compared to this. Is their any special technique to
minimize the risk of destroying the frame...."
Catto Fire Update
Trailing edge fun ...WVM
"I am doing one of the last steps of my empennage... riveting the
trailing edges of the elevators and rudders. So far the good news...
Following VANS instructions I glued the wedges in with Pro seal.
They cured for more than two weeks during my vacation on a flat
surface. Yesterday I cleaned the dimples to finally rivet the edge
and close the chapter. But... When I turned around the piece I
noticed that it didn't lay flat on the table top on once side. This
is both true for the rudder and the elevator. The trailing edge
itself looks straight to me. Not sure that this is normal and that
it is a good idea to continue like that...."
Tripple Tree Pics ...DanH
Where was all this bad weather I kept hearing about? Had a lovely
ride from south Alabama Friday. This was dinnertime, on the lawn by
the big hangar. Note the huge lack of airplanes:
Bird strike ...tommylewis
On Sat, while returning home after a breakfast fly out, we had an
unfortunate encounter with a big large black bird while approaching
our home airport in our RV7A. This is the leading edge outer
panel in the right wing on an RV7a. The insurance adjuster is
coming out Tuesday afternoon to start the claims process. Anyone in
North Texas interested in the repair, contact me via PM or email.
9/14/2015 0001Z. #3,945.
Attending a funeral today - mom of a childhood friend (obit).
I'll be unreachable most of Monday. Let me tell you one quick
story my parents were fond of telling regarding Bobbie McKethan.
Bobbie (Bobbie Jean Hunt before marriage) and my Dad (Bobby Gene Reeves)
attended the same high school, and our families lived three houses apart
in Waco from the 60's to the 90's. One Saturday morning around 7am
Bobbie called our house (I was 4 yrs old if I remember the story right)
and asked my father if he knew where Douglas was. "In his room
asleep", Dad said. "No, he's in our driveway riding his Big
Wheel....in his underwear. You want me to feed him breakfast or
just send him on home?"
What can I say....it was 1969. Rest in Peace, Mrs. McKethan.
Such a sweet person, and always so kind to me.
Big Wheel commercial from
1970 ....and as you would suspect, there is a
new one that I
wouldn't mind owning <g>. (jump to the 1min mark)
Recent Photo: RV-grin Soon ...Saville
New Aerosport Products RV310 panel & quad armrest ...Geoff
RV-4 Status ...Gregg Brightwell pic and comments
"...Hadn't posted status in a while, so here is a good one for
me. The .040, F422 belly skin comes as a large rectangular piece.
(For you QB guys, this means that you gotta fabricate it)
Sorry.. had to...
It is fabricated, and being drilled in place. It's drilled as far
back as the spar. Hope to finish drilling skins this week"
Help Craig Catto and Family...
from Mike S.
First Fully Cowled Full Power Test ...flyboykelly radial RV-8
9/11/2015 0001Z. #3,944.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend.
"Hey, you at the dang airport?"
So around 10 o'clock in the morning yesterday I am sitting at my
'tailgate office' when the phone rings. I was just about to step
onto the exercise equipment when RV buddy Ross Burgess gave me a
call. "Are you at the dang airport?" "Yes, where are you?"
"I'm in Sherman with a dead battery. Can you come get me?"
"Yep. I'll be in the air in 9 min. On ground in twenty."
Rolling VAF office...
I got about 90% of the way there and switched over to 122.8.
About that time Ross comes up on the frequency. "Dougie, you up?"
"Yep." "The mechanic hand propped my airplane, it's running
and I'm about to take off. Don't land. I won't be here." "Okey-doke.
Launch, join my wing, and I'll drag you back." Around a
week ago we did some practice approaches in my airplane for his IFR
currency. He put a few gallons in my plane - I think I was still
burning 'his' gas, actually. I was getting to enjoy some
pretty clouds, and some formation...all unexpected.
We were about three quarters of the way back to our home field
when Ross keyed the mic, "You're working on the article in your head
right now aren't you?" "Yep."
Combat spread enroute.
Joined the extended centerline about 2 miles north of the airport
for initial, overhead break, and back on the ground in time to get
in a 30 min. workout. Ross got in his Jeep in search of the new
battery. Logged .6, .2 of it formation. Good times.
Back home after lunch at the normal time on the computer going
through normal flow. Our son Tate was home early from school
with a migraine, asleep, so I was looking after him so Susie could
have a break. Tate and I later talked about formation flying for
about 30 min., quietly so as not to make his head hurt more. After
talking with him for a few minutes, and reflecting on the
conversation, I gave some thought to what my 'normal' day is as an
RV owner. I mean, I got into an amazing airplane with hardly any
notice, flew 50 miles away, joined up with another airplane in the
air, enjoying absolutely gorgeous puffy clouds, and was back on the
ground in time for a workout and lunch.
Having an RV in the mix really improves your 'normal'. We
are so lucky to be involved with this amazing hobby! 'RV
normal' is pretty sweet.
(click to enlarge)
RV-8 first flight ...Luke in Italy
Together with Francesco 'Franz' Dante I spent a couple of days in
Sassuolo airfield near Bologna - Italy to assist and perform the
first flight of 83341. The airfield is really close to Ferrari
Company (yes that Ferrari).
Franz was at the controls for the first flight that occurred on
August 28, 2015.
The airplane sports a brand new Lycoming IO-360-M1B, Propeller
Hartzell Two Blade HC-C2YR-1N/N7605-2 with Hartzell 15" Spinner ,
ShowPlanes cowl and canopy with fastback conversion kit, EFIS Garmin
G3X touch GDU 460, 2 axis AP and XPDR Garmin GTX-23ES, Skyrich
Battery Lithium Ion Battery, COM Radio Icom IC-A210, two E-MAG
P.Model Magneto with Ei Commander monitor, PS Engeneering PM1000II
Intercom, GPS Garmin 795, ACK-04 ELT, Seats from Aero Classic Design
with 5 points Hooker Harness safety belts.
Triple Tree Starts
New Homebuilt Aircraft Council Appointments ...for your S.A.
Two of the three new members are RV folks you know.
9/10/2015 0004Z. #3,943.
Niece on my wife's side is the co-producer of the American Experience
coming up on Sept 14-15 entitled 'Walt
Disney'. Her name is Helen Ryan Dobrowski and I've known her
since she was about three. She has four sisters BTW (one of the
older sisters, about 11 at the time, showed me how to change a diaper
when Audrey came home from the hospital).
Also, I have it on good authority that RV-8 pilot Jerry
Lawlor's Samsung flip phone finally gave up the ghost yesterday.
Pic texted to me last night at right. Jerry is about the last person I
know who still used a flip phone, and he held out a lot longer than I
thought he would - I think it was a source of pride to be honest.
He now owns a smart phone. Wolf, welcome to
Dad Flying the RV-4 ...Brian Eisner
"Was at the 44th Annual Stanley Fly-in this past Labor Day
Weekend. Got a chance to take my 83 year old Dad up flying for
1.2hrs on Saturday Sep 05. It was the first time he went flying with
me in 3 years and 3 months. I let him fly the airplane for 10
minutes. He did really well, just a couple of throttle adjustments
by me; he should've been a pilot."
How clean is clean?
I am going to take a stab at polishing my RV. I have some of the
equipment and have done some research on the subject via
perfectpolish, but I have a couple specific questions:
How clean does it need to be? In particular, how do you get the
belly as clean as it needs to be. I spent some time with mineral
spirits on a creeper and got it pretty good, but still not pristine.
Let me know what else I need to do.
How do you polish items like the wing root fairings, do you just
leave them on, or take them off and polish separately? I would
assume polish builds up under them if you aren't careful if you
leave them on?
Thanks, I am a newbie on this subject, but looking to learn!
Avionics For Sale
[ed. What a GREAT example of an RVator
posting his older avionics for sale in the classifieds. RV
folks helping other RV folks! Exactly what the classifieds are
9/9/2015 0001Z. #3,942.
Aid and comfort ...Bob Collins RV-7A
My RV can do many cool things and take me to many enjoyable
places. Last evening I learned it can help do something more:
provide aid and comfort to people.
This is Sue and Gary. A few years ago, pretty much on this same spot
on the Alexandria, MN apron, Sue said goodbye to her brother, her
mother, and her sister in law, when they got in a Bonanza for a trip
to Colorado. She'd asked her mother not to go; she just had a
Bullet Points for a 30 Min. Familiarization Flight ...
Here's a hypothetical…
Let's say you are going to give an 18-year-old kid a familiarization
flight in your RV in a few days. He is interested in possibly
pursuing his pilot license. I plan on making the flight 30 min.
I am not a CFI, so have never really given this any thought. If you
had to pick between three and five things to show this young man
during your 30 min. flight, what would it be?
-Holding straight and level flight?
-Turns around a point?
-Entering an airport in the GPS and flying towards it -
following the magenta line?
-Turning on the autopilot and letting him steer the airplane
around with the heading bug?
-Having him climb to an altitude and level off?
-Lightly follow along on the controls during a TnG at a
-Talk on the radio?
-Shoot the practice ILS to DH at nearby KAFW?
I have a few days to plan this, and since he is actually quite
interested in getting his pilots license I would like to make it as
good a first impression as I can possibly make it. I absolutely do
not want to yank 'n bank until he turns green in the gills, or have
him fiddle with so many buttons that he becomes task saturated and
only remembers the frustration.
I welcome any and all input on helping me create a small 3 to 5
bullet point list.
Vlad Moose Island PIREP ...many pics
So close I can smell it ...Greg Niehues 9A
My build project hit a snag yesterday, and for the first time in
years I had to walk away from the hangar with time left on the
clock, but nothing else I could do, and I'm feeling pretty good
about it. I've got the FWF complete except for the neoprene joints
to connect the plenum and FAB to inlet rings in my James Cowl, and
my neoprene cement had gone bad so I'll have to get more before
On the plus side - that means all I've got left FWF is that task -
and that puts me VERY close to first engine start. This is starting
to get real now!
I still need to install the (finished) right wing and flush the fuel
system, I'll have extra hands this weekend to stab the wing and get
it bolted in, then I'm back to work.
Vlad 'Notable Bridges' Update ...many pics
Carbon Chunks in First Oil Change ...Larry
My freshly rebuilt now has 15 hours in service and I changed the
oil and filter. The good news is that the amount of small aluminum
flakes is dramatically reduced from the filter pulled at two hours.
It seems that the problem is not persisting and was related to the
initial break in.
The concern was the chunks of carbon that I found in the drain oil.
There were several moderate size chunks of carbon that were found at
the bottom of the drain pan. The bigger ones were maybe a 1/16" in
diameter. I assume this is from blowby gasses generating heat and
coking the oil, presumably in the oil ring cavities. I hadn't been
paying much attention to oil temp (no alarms went off and the times
that I looked it was 190-200). Today, at 75% cruise, the gauge went
yellow and the temps were 218 (90* ambient, but typical of most of
Is this normal for a new or overhauled engine while breaking in? I
have heard that it can take over 20 hours for rings to fully seat
and the oil temps will run high untill that happens. Is that
typical? My CHT's have been consistently below 400.
The oil is dark and bordering on black.
First Flight! ...Bevan
After 14 years of part time building as funds and time allowed,
and a significant effort during the last six months, 70231 is
finally an airplane proven so by it's first flight today which was
largely uneventful. Just like we like them.
Kid Looking Through The Airport Fence....my version.
Alex is interested in possibly getting his license. His mom Stacy and I got to
talking yesterday while they ate their lunch at my home airport (I've known
Stacy's husband for about 40 years). You already know how this
is going to pan out....
We're planning on an RV intro flight this coming Saturday for
Alex. I'll keep you posted. He's already grinning, BTW.
Critical Bolt Missing ...Steve Barnes
Went to move my RV6 in the hangar and one wheel had a point of
very bad resistance while rolling. It would catch and let go while
rolling it around. It felt like a disc was badly bent. Further
inspection revealed that one of the three #4 bolts that hold the rim
halves together was totally missing and the halves pulled away a
little. (I know what you are thinking. NO I didn't forget to put it
in). Somehow it must have broken and both parts of the bolt/nut were
missing (probably at the bottom of someones swimming pool).
Here's my thoughts; I probably have under torqued the bolts thinking
that the tire pressure would do that. If there was a little working
room for the bolt/nut to move because of under torqueing it may have
caused the nut to break at the threads.
Anybody else have this happen or any ideas?
Salmon River- Block Island - Old Rhinebeck ...Alfio Trip Write Up
Sim Eng Failure after T/O
After witnessing the fatal crash of a turbocharged Cessna Stationair
immediately after departure from my home field (CDW) a couple weeks
ago, I decided to stop being spooked and explore how my -8 does with
simulated engine failures at different altitudes following simulated
departure. The crash I saw has no official NTSB analysis available
yet, but it was clear to me and others that there was a significant
engine problem on the climb out, followed by the crash 1/2 mile from
the field while the pilot tried to turn back.
So, I took it out over a fielded area with good linear landmarks and
set up at 3500' (simulated hard deck) atop a straight road. I found
two roads that intersected the main road that seemed to be about
4-6000' apart, so I used the intervening segment of main road as the
simulated 'runway'. I flew in an upwind direction, then idled the
power while maintaining 3500' and at 60kts (rotation speed) gave it
full throttle to simulate takeoff. I allowed it to climb as I would
on departure to various altitudes before idling it again to simulate
engine failure. I immediately pitched for best glide (in mine its
77kts, although I have an AOA indicator in my dynon and that was
more reliable if kept in the yellow). Then tried to make the 180
degree turn, usually at about 30-40 degrees of bank.
I found that in my plane (and I suspect most RV's), the MINIMUM
altitude that a 180 degree turn could conceivable be performed to
return to the airport is around 700'. That allows for the turn,
trees, and some lateral movement to re-align with the runway.
Have others found this to be the case?
Some other observations;
First, idling the power in a climb attitude necessitates a very
aggressive nose-down push to get it to best glide. It was more than
I would have thought.
Second, with turns greater than 40 degrees of bank, it really wants
to stall and drop a wing. It was pretty pronounced actually. And
once that wing goes down, the VSI is pegged down and it takes a good
2-300 feet of nose down to get good aileron control to level it out.
Is this consistent with what others have observed?
9.7.15 0045Z. Issue
Why Gary Started That 'Oil Drip' Poll ...Gary Sobek
Flight medicine when things go bump in the night
I wanted to offer up an alternative to working through an
AME when a medical condition arises that necessitates a
waiver or some sort of blessing from the FAA. I have crohns
disease, and I work for the FAA as a planner, and wanted to
offer an alternative that involves the "airman certification
analysts" that work for the medical arm of the FAA, in the
I always thought that the AME was the only pathway to
communicate with the FAA for illness. And for some
conditions, that will be the case. For others, there is a
process where a pilot grounds themselves, and works out a
plan with the FAA to get themselves back in the air, while
keeping their AME in the loop. The key individual in this
process is the analyst. I'll tell a story that illustrates
My Carb has the Blues
Lots Of Experimentals Update ...Russ
Get thee to a distillery! ...humptybump trip write-up
RV-8 and Spinal Fusion Surgery ...Ed Wischmeyer Update
This morning, I made five no-bounce landings in the RV-8,
something much harder to do in the -8 than in almost any
other plane. On the last one, in a slight crosswind, I
rolled each main wheel on, one at a time. But I also did a
steep turn at 2.75 Gs, and my back gave a slight warning, in
line with what my surgeon said. (I had spinal fusion, L1 –
L5, eleven months ago, and that surgery is highly invasive
with a prolonged recovery time). Since the cause is
skeletal, not physiological, there’s little hope for G
What this means is that my effective G tolerance for flying
is about two Gs, plus safety margin. I still get a kick out
of landing the -8 well, and there’s still room for
improvement in my tailwheel skills on rollout.
I ponder what age (66) and surgery have done, inevitably and
predictably, while celebrating the numerous and spectacular
opportunities I’ve had in my flying career to date. The
RV-9A will have amazing IFR avionics once we get the
pre-existing wiring cleaned up and cleaned out, and the -9A
will do things that the RV-8 won’t, but the -9A doesn’t give
you the visceral satisfaction of the RV-8.
The time will come to sell the gorgeous RV-8, and it’s not
here yet. But it is on the horizon.
Hat Sighting ...my buddy Sid 'ScrollF4' Mayeaux
Flew his newly-out-of-phase-1 RV-7A from Dallas to
Lubbock for the Texas Tech/Sam Houston St. game. Wifey
took the picture. Air Force blue with white lettering
There is a #19 hole punched in F-1006E that the plans say
not to match drill into the part below. Does this hole ever
It's still mysteriously empty here.
If you could tell a newbie builder,what would it be!
Vertical stabilizer spar bend
Mom, you left this world one year ago today for a better place.
I miss you more than I will ever be able to put down in words.
Thank you for giving me the confidence and encouragement to take
on challenges with love in my heart. You set a high bar -
especially in today's world filled with such anger and ill will.
Rest in Peace. You most certainly earned it. Your family
loves and misses you....especially your baby boy.
Tom Lewis Travel Update
Last Sunday morning we flew out of Yakima, WA for
Jackpot, NV. Since we were going to Rapid City on Monday,
this was not the most direct route but the smoke and fire
TFRs across the northern route were not pretty. A quick
check of our tracking link below will show how far south we
went. So here is a picture of Jackpot.
Oil on ground under your aircraft ...poll.
"You’re out flying meeting your buddies for lunch. After
lunch on your way home, there is a rainstorm at your home
airport. You divert to a nearby airport to visit friends so
that there is time for the storm to pass. When you get out
of your aircraft, you find a puddle about 3” X 5” of oil
under the airplane and it is coming from cowl exit. Oil is
noticed by the air inlet in front of the #2 cylinder.
Pulling the dipstick, the oil is down ¾ of a quart from what
it was when you took off 1.1 hours earlier. What do you do?
Puddle was under the airplane when you got out. After engine
shutdown, you wrote down hobbs and tach time and got out to
find the puddle."
Homemade Paint Booths ...things to copy
Garmin G3X Touch Webinar, 9/10/15, 10:00 AM Central Time
Glen Womac's Gunslinger ...out of Grady's yesterday at
Status: Rob Reece RV-8 Interior About Ready For Paint
9.3.15 0006 UTC
One Year Later....
A year ago Chuck created the thread below (click
to enlarge). He was banged up but recovering, and
was writing a book documenting the last several months.
I was out of the loop mostly on this, as my Mom was in the
last stages of her fight. I never saw the post.
Maybe I did, but those months were a fog.
Chuck mailed me a book, which I read some
time later. I re-read it a week ago, then did a search
on his username. My wife had surgery between C6 and C7
a few years ago, and your accounting brought back a lot of
memories. I saw the post pictured below, and stopped
in my tracks. The thread is about titling his book.
It's dated exactly one year ago. The first word of the
first reply was 'Inverted', and here in front of me was the
I took a picture...
Chuck, I'm grateful you're in my online
world. Thank you for the book, your emails, your
ability to STICK. TO. IT!!!! with your recovery, and your
relationship with your wife.
You, Sir, are a shining example of what is
so special about this hobby.
I'll say it again....it's not about the
airplane, it's the people you meet while building and
HERE is the 'One Year After The Accident' post
You can buy the book
September/October 2015 ....32 page PDF.
Adventures in Tank Leaks
9.2.15 0001 UTC
I have passed my instrument written (one year ago on 8/20/14),
so I have roughly one year left to take the check ride. I
have enough hours finally.
The hiccup for me is that the local designated check airman on my
field wants $500. I can't justify spending that right now.
Our family is experiencing a higher frequency of life expenses
that I won't bore you with (you've got 'em too), so hobbies are
being scaled back for a few years most likely. I fully realize
that if I did take the check ride, and passed, I most likely
would not fly enough to remain current. Having said that,
I paid $200 to take that written exam a year ago and I would
hate to lose that investment being so close to the finish line.
So my hope is to find a cheaper way to take the check ride this
My first IFR lesson was 18.25 years ago, just so you won't think
I've rushed into anything. ;^)
I could stay current if I practiced on the two ILS and VOR
approaches nearby on little .3 flights under the hood with a pax
(filing /A works - no Jepp subscription needed). A local
.3 ILS approach only costs about $12 in avgas. I could
justify that once a week or so on sanity and proficiency
My cheapskate quest: Is there a semi-nearby designated IFR
check airman (or someone who knows one) that is interested in
some horse trading? I have a Panda Super 70 mini bike
(Honda C70 clone) that would make a good airport transport.
It looks like
Open to all cheap ideas.
Yours in thrift,
Scott Thompson's Finished RV-8
"Began build in January 2009; airworthiness inspection by
FAA inspector Richard 'Dilly' Dilbeck (SAC FSDO) on August
26, 2015. First flight on Sunday, August 30, 2015, from
Lincoln, CA (KLHM) where the airplane is based.
Propeller: Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F74972
Avionics: Dynon Skyview 1000T with the other Dynon black
boxes; Garmin GTN-650 navigator; Garmin SL40 Comm; ACK 406
By the way, the tail number was last used by a B-17 air
tanker; I have resurrected the number for my RV-8 as a nod
to B-17s past and present. ..."
Panel Photo ...Scott Thompson RV-8
Introduction, Intentions, and Inquiries ...Rick Woods says
Alliteration aside, I am excited to announce I have a
tail kit on order!
Let me back up... HELLO, I'm Rick. After a significant dream
period, followed by another significant planning period
(during which time I have consumed most of this site) I am
joining the ranks of a real builder. I have been a good
student and have taken many notes. Here are my thoughts as
currently envisioned. There are still a few questions which
will resolve themselves in due time. Anyway, glad to meet
you all, if any of the following raises an eyebrow, give me
a shout out.
99.99% per plans
RV-7 with Slider Canopy
Pax side brakes (I intend to do aero from right, x-country
Electric elev trim
Lycomming or equiv IO-360 (Titan ECi, Superior, used from
Half-Raven oil system, one flop tube, and a brake check
2" Crow 5 point harness
Stein Air Vents
Upgraded fuel caps
Avionics will wait until the last minute to take advantage
of rapid improvements.
Andair fuel valve?
Cap fuel sender?
Cleaveland tie down blocks (pn rvtdk Djm)?
Isham kit (on order) with DRDT2, tungsten bucking bar, 3",
4" no hole, & longeron yoke, pneumatic squeezer with
adjustable set holder...
N5427W == Jack, Hank, Barbara, and Rick Woods.
RV-7 (tail feathers on order!)
Upcoming EAA Webinars...
Closed Runway? ...DanH
Had an interesting experience this AM.
Needed to work an auto auction in Pensacola. Usually I go
into KPNS, but a bit of looking found 83J, Coastal Airport,
to be only 7 miles away. Hey, I like grass strips, so why
Did the usual preflght planning, which for me is a review of
a sectional on Skyvector, the airport information on Airnav,
and morning brief on Weathermeister.
As is my habit, I checked destination NOTAMs using the
https://pilotweb.nas.faa.gov link on Airnav, and later, on
Landed at 9AM, and was met by a person who insisted the
airport had been closed for a month. He just shrugged off
the the concept of no published NOTAM. He did want to know
if I had seen "the X's". I had not, and told him so. He
demanded I leave immediately. Having seen no safety issue, I
There were in fact X's made of some thin strips, located in
the tall grass in the overrun areas prior to the displaced
thresholds. They were visible from overhead, but were
invisible from anywhere in a normal pattern, probably
because of the grass length.
Yes, I've filed a NASA ASRS form. I'm not sure I violated
anything, give the lack of a closure NOTAM, and the improper
marking, but hey, it can't hurt, and it strikes me as a good
note to put in the system.
POSTSCRIPT: Just checked the pilotweb.nas.ffa.gov site
again. Airport closure NOTAM appears to have been posted at
1747 zulu... "!GNV 09/010 83J AD AIRPORT CLSD
First Condition Inspection Questions
I took my plane (and just picked it back up) to its 1st
inspection. I enjoyed the experience in spite of the fact
that it was a lot of work! I was also very impressed with my
mechanics (2). Very professional and organized. What you
would hope for in someone that is working on your plane! If
anyone is in the NJ area and looking for a mechanic, shoot
me a PM.
Anyway, I have 2 questions. One, is there a reason the floor
panels are held in place by 2 diferent size screws? I
believe they are all size 8 round head screws but there were
2 different length screws in my plane. There was no apparent
rhyme or reason at least in some cases as to why a
particular length would be chosen. I mapped every screw when
I took them out because I didn't want to mix them when I put
them back. This was a very tedious process.
Two, I had what I thought was a missing or backfiring under
low power as I would approach the pattern. It was a random
cadence and not terribly loud. After the inspection, the
situation is worse. I now have a pronounced drumming coming
from my belly skin under my feet I think. I tried to
research this but couldn't find more than a single similar
thread. The suggestions were that the skin (or firewall in
this pilot's case) was flexing and causing the noise. Can
anyone shed more light on this phenomenon? The was no
resolution in the other thread so I would be interested to
know if that is a consensus answer or if there are other
things that might cause this problem. Also, is there a fix
or if not, some way to fly around the problem. It is
unsettling to say the least.
$37 and access to a welder
...photo taken yesterday a Monkey's hangar - I think Tony
and Steve built these. $30 for one of the fans (had
the other) and $7 worth of square tube for the bottoms.
The rest was scrap/junk parts. Well, not the tools of
(click to enlarge)
9.1.15 0008 UTC
Indiana to Maine in a RV-12 ...Randy Pflanzer trip report
My son and I just completed our last long cross country
trip of the season. I wanted to go to Maine so I could check
off another dozen or so states from my list of visits. We'd
been watching the weather for several weeks and the weather
in New England just refused to break. Finally on Thursday of
last week, it looked like we might be able to make it out
and back within the weather window.
The Mini Mississippi ...Pete Howell trip report
Tip- Flap Down Limit Switch ...Paul Merems
I installed a down flap down limit switch on my RV-7A and
have been flying it for almost 5 years now without any
issues with the limit switch setup.
Vlad's at it again...
Calendar Wallpaper for
I put in the GRT Mini as a backup for the G3X, totally
different system, has a good battery backup. It uses it's
own GPS, small antenna that I plan to mount under the
cowling. Uses the same pitot and static tubes off a T of the
Garmin. Has it's own magnetometer, which I mounted on a
shelf towards the back with the Garmin and it's own OAT,
which is mounted on the other wing in the same spot as the
Garmin OAT by the inboard access panel. Everything not
totally connected yet, but no smoke!
Sanding and flying in the rain ...Steve Melton
Sanding dust streamlines, light rain, 120 kts, 3K
altitude. shows the air bending downwards at a significant
height above the wing along the fuselage.
From the factory...
8.31.15 0001 UTC
Donations list updated
over the weekend....and thank you to those who donate!!!
There have been 1,039 donations so far this year totaling
~$23,000 after taxes. With 21,110 forum accounts, let's call
it 4.9% of the registered readers - 2% if you include 'lurkers'.
We're 65% done with 2015, so THANK YOU!!! to those who help our
family keep the lights on here, and God bless those VAF advertisers!
Please consider giving them your business!!! We'd have folded
long ago without them!!!
We try to run a tight ship, and
we think that is rare in today's online world.
Thanks again for helping,
Pilgrimages to Kitty Hawk ...PilotBrent video
[ed. Wonderful video!!!! dr]
RV White Pages Updated and Current ...39
Courtesy the lovely and talented Susie Reeves.
VAF Courtesy Car List Updated and
Works on anything you got that runs a browser and sees
N964JB 1st Pilots N Paws Mission ...Jason Tremble
Just another RV-8 cruising' along...David-aviator
40 hours flown off! ...CopterJohn
It took nearly a year to get 40 hours flown off my RV6A,
thanks to a weird disease called Sarcoidosis striking me in
April of this year. My building partner, Mindy class got the
first flight at 40.6 hours. She was a big part of the 5 year
construction process. Thanks to WC Aircraft of Boone for
technical support through the build, Rob Hickman for solving
my AFS install issues, and Aeroflow Performance for
troubleshooting some fuel injection squawks. She trues out
at 173 kts and sounds great with the WW74RV prop.
More Console Pics ...NovaBandit
1,000 RV-12 Emp Kits Shipped ....factory
Land of Enchantment Pics (KAEG) ...MANY pics by Bob Hassel
"...As soon as I walked in the gate, I saw a line of 4 RV
looking aircraft that were setting apart from everyone else.
It turns out it was 'Chile Flight' the NM RV performance
team. There was an RV-3, RV-4, RV-8 and a Harmon II Rocket."
8.28.15 0001 UTC
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend.
Finally posting that it's flying
New Engine Break-in- flakes in oil filter
I was diagnosed with Stage IV Grade 2 Follicular Non-Hodgkins
Lymphoma last May. I have been undergoing chemo and am
responding well. After my 3rd treatment, a follow-up PET
scan shows no cancer. I just had my 4th treatment and have 2
more to go.
I am expecting to start my special issuance medical process
around the first of November. If anyone here has gone
through this process before, especially with Non-Hodgkins
Lymphoma, would you mind telling me the process?
I fly helicopters for a living and usually get a 1st class
Joey Wheeler - Justin, TX (16X)
RV7 in progress
Probable Cause Database
A list of 530+
RV accident documents that you can discuss online here to
your hearts content with my wholehearted,
PLEASE discuss these probable cause documents so we can use
the best-as-we-know-them facts to learn! It's been a
few months since I updated the database, and I'm planning on
doing that in the next couple of weeks.
Jerry Wants to Build Your Tanks
Panel Pics ...NovaBandit
NASA Langley Research
Center Video from the Other Day
8.27.15 0001 UTC
A Case of the Monday's ...Bruce Eicher
Really not a bad day for a flight up to Arlington Monday.
Mt Rainier, notice the white smoke blanket East. Further
North over the range we could see a cloud resembling an
atomic bomb mushroom. I suspect it was the Okanogan or
The all important pre-buy inspection
I recently sold my RV-10 aircraft. As we all know an
important aspect of any aircraft ownership change is the
In my case the pre-buy inspection was done on behalf of the
buyer by Vic Syracuse of Base Leg Aviation. Vic, as most of
us know, is a multiple repeat offending builder of several
RVs and other experimental aircraft. He is also a DAR, AI,
CFII, and probably one of the Van’s families’ most respected
experts. He gave the keynote address at this year’s Van’s
Banquet at Air Venture.
Vic’s inspection of my aircraft was through, and efficiently
completed. The result of his work was instrumental in the
sale being completed smoothly.
I believe the buyer is confident he is getting a good
airplane and I am confident he is in good hands as he
becomes safely acclimated to his new airplane.
So, if you are an RV shopper or seller I would certainly
recommend Base Leg Aviation for the pre-buy inspection or
any of their other many services.
RV-12 60 hours
August is....canopy cutting time!
Brake Check? ...Bill R.
One of my neighbors who happens to be an IA lost his left
brake on his 310 during rollout and went off the runway. The
result was that he ripped the left wing off, just outboard
of the left engine, when he used a tree for a parking brake.
The plane had just come out of annual and he said the brakes
were fine and that he had put new linings in them.
My questions to this group are:
1. How can you inspect the caliper?
2. Should the calipers be rebuilt at a set interval?
(No one was hurt in his incident, only tree was harmed in
the making of this story.)
Pecan Plantation Fly In ...Pat Stewart
It's that time again. This years fly in will be on
Saturday September 19th. Lots of airplanes, food and fun.
All types of aircraft and always well represented by the RV
RV 8, RV8A, RV 10
v2.6 of VAC's Transition Training Syllabus Published ...Mike
"...Summary of Changes
1. Revised Vne discussion in RV-type Aerodynamics briefing
in Part 2. Replaced “Effective” Ceiling with “Maximum
Operating Altitude” throughout entire document. Additions to
briefing guide for clarity in several bullets. Briefing
mirrors expanded Vne discussion in Part 3…Bottom line here
is that Vne should be treated as a TAS unless analysis and
testing of a specific aircraft has been performed to
validate a different limit. Vno should only be exceeded with
deliberate caution under appropriate conditions.
2. Corrected headings in Table 2-1 “Example RV-4/6 210 MPH
TAS to CAS Look-up Table” in RV-type Aerodynamics Briefing
in Part 2.
3. Corrected Holding discussion in “All Weather Operations”
chapter of Part 3.
4. Revised Maximum Structural Cruising Speed section in
“Maneuvering Flight” chapter of Part 3.
5. Revised Never Exceed Speed section in “Maneuvering
Flight” chapter of Part 3.
6. Minor Corrections to Handling Briefing Guide in Appendix
From Rich Meske...
EXTENSIONS. We just received a new batch of Valve
Extensions. The flexibility of these extensions allows you
to get easy access to your hard to get to tire valves. For
more details on this and more GREAT PRODUCTS, please visit
our web site,
Dual mag failure SIMULTANEOUSLY!
My son has helped build several RV's during his A@P
Last Tuesday, a Cirrus 22 dead sticked to my airport from
19,000' on a cross country. He tried switching tanks, fuel
pump on, to no avail. Fortunately, my stepson is a Cirrus
trained A@P. He came home from work and diagnosed it as DUAL
The plastic gears had stripped on both mags. The driving
gears in the accessory section operated smoothly.
He had two mags overnighted and installed them the next day.
The engine fired up on the second blade, ran fine and they
test flew it and the gent went home to Tampa.
The airplane has a 4 bladed composite MT prop and the
thinking is that there is not much vibration damping and
could be a causative factor.
The engine parameters were downloaded to a memory stick and
forwarded to Cirrus for examination to try and get to the
root of this, since they only had 200 hours on them and the
factory rebuilt IO-550.
8.26.15 0030 UTC
RV-12 Custom Trailer
Travel Update ...Tom Lewis and friends
On Sunday morning, we loaded up the RVs and flew out
through the smoke. This was the view at 9.5k of Mt Baker.
So I have been plugging away on my elevators since last
winter and I was dimpling the RH elevator skin rivet holes
having fit and drilled the skin to the frame. Well I goofed
and clipped the opposing skin with the hammer while using
the c-frame. Hindsight being what it is, I suppose I should
have waited to get the 3" yoke and squeezed them but... As
things sometimes do, they go from bad to worse trying to fix
the first mistake. I tried flattening the slight crease out
with a few small hits of the flat set against the backplate.
All that ended up doing was adding some slight deformations
and marring the surface. Oh did I mention this is on the
top? Darn Murphy's law! After steaming about it most of the
night, I had another look at it this morning and I think
it's only a matter of a little filler then primer but I
wanted to get a second opinion (or 10) on it. The slight
crease is right at the end of the stiffener where it
(almost) meets the spar. It seems to be a point of higher
stress but I don't know if it might be a problem down the
road. Replacing the skin basically means rebuilding the
entire RH elevator from scratch because it's match drilled
already to the frame. Thoughts?
An Unforeseen Journey ...Bill Boyd
That's been my life the past few years. The tightest
twists in the road might lie behind me for now, but the loss
of our home to fire this May was a bit of a lurching turn.
It's been emotionally hard to live all summer near the
gaping hole in the hilltop where our house stood the last 18
years, and irksome to reach for tools that are no longer
there to do the myriad odd jobs on the farm, including
airplane maintenance. Lots of possessions will have to be
replaced, slowly, methodically, waiting on the claims to
settle and the checks to come in.
Today, all that begins to change visibly. The precast
basement was erected this morning, and it's so gratifying to
see the place where our next RV will be built rising up from
the clay. Beauty for ashes. Joy for mourning. Check it out!
5 Years and 500 Hours ...Tony Phillips RV-9
Thunderstorm Microburst Video...better than the drawing in
EarthX, Inc. has 3 new aircraft specific models (ETX680,
ETX900, ETX1200). Features include:
- a fully REDUNDANT integrated battery management system
- over discharge protection
- over charge protection
- cell balancing built in
- short circuit protection
- excessive cranking protection
- LED battery fault light indicator that can be programmed
into your EFIS system or a simple LED light on your control
addition, EarthX has 13 OEM manufactures,( as of 8-25-15 and
rising) that have approved, endorsed and are using the ETX
series in their factory built planes, helicopters or kit
planes. The EarthX brand meets the requirements of use with
a Rotax engine set forth in the May 29th Mandatory Service
Bulletin and is the only lithium battery that meets these
requirements. All three batteries meet or exceed the
specifications of the lead acid battery they are replacing
and remove 10+ pounds instantly off your aircraft! Lighter
weight = better performance.
Giving away an RV-7A Kit ...Nanji Chandra
It's been years since I made any meaningful progress on my
RV-7A. While I've done a day here or there of build work,
I'm at a stage in life where I doubt I will have enough free
time to focus on the build. So I've decided to give my kit
Here is where things stand:
I have purchased the tail and wing kits.
The tail kit is done except for the fiberglass work.
The left wing is done.
Both tanks are done professionally - by Evan's Aviation in
I've made progress on the right wing but there is a lot more
I haven't ordered/purchased the fuselage or other kits yet.
I have a heated Dynon pitot kit.
Here is what I want to do
I want to give the parts away to someone that can complete
the airplane. Give me a one page write-up on why you want my
kit and how you will use it to get the next generation
interested in Aviation specifically and STEM (Science,
Technology, Engineering, Mathematics) topics in general. If
I like what I get, we have a quick phone conversation and
the kit is yours.
Needless to say, there are no warranties on any of the parts
and while most of it is crated, it would be your sole
responsibility if selected to figure out how to get it to
your shop from the Tampa Bay area. Once it's yours, it's
yours so expect the usual legalese around me not being
responsible as to how you put the rest of the airplane
together, whether all the workmanship meets AC 43.13
Hoping to hear some good responses!
8.25.15 0001 UTC
Whiskey Flight PIREP
This is a photo of Whiskey flight on Saturday morning.
The mission was the 3.99 breakfast at Umatilla Florida. Mike
Kelly 1,Scott Roth 2, Paul Van Sickle and Bob Kurrle 3, Gene
Ledda 4, photo by Gary Rosier.
My RV10 has a pink slip! (And a bonus video) ...Ed Kranz
Sunday afternoon, the DAR stopped out for the final
airworthiness inspection. He only spent about 20 minutes
looking at the plane, but he was very happy with what he
saw. Operating limitations looked in order, logbook entry
was done, and airworthiness cert issued!
I'm still planning on having a tech counselor (or two) do a
very thorough inspection before it flies, but provided they
don't find any major issues, first flight should be in the
next week or so!
Since it was just the two of us, I didn't get that photo of
him handing me the pink slip, so I'll post a video I did the
day before of startup and taxi testing behind the G3X Touch
/ Aerosport panel! I'm really happy with how everything is
First GoPro Attempt
I finally got to try out the GoPro my wife got for my
birthday. Here is a time lapse flight from Monterey, CA to
Rosamond, CA, which is just outside of Edwards AFB (Thanks
again Rosie for the help finding a hangar) at 11,000ft. The
1.5hr flight is distilled down to about 3min w/ some tunes
by Beck added.
On a side note, I love how great the RV community is. I ran
into a VAF'er (is that even a word?) at the Monterey Jet
Center. When I was going in to pay my fuel bill I heard him
asking about the RV-8 parked on the ramp (mine), which lead
to a great conversation, a free shirt, and a tour of his
"other" plane (Challenger).
RV-14A Bellcrank Rib Dent ...Tilford
While riveting the left bellcrank rib to the aft fuselage
forward bottom skin, my bucking bar slipped and did some
damage to the rib. I'm planning on replacing the rib,
however, I thought I'd check here to see if there were any
other thoughts on how I might proceed on this one?
[ed. Not RV, but some
interesting aviation clips in there that might keep you from
working at the office. dr]
8.24.15 0054 UTC
My RV a-la Disney
My cousins decided to paint a picture of my RV.
Incredible how good this is. Love it!! To my hangar it goes.
First flight for 412DR ,kit #120797 occurred today at
15:00 Zulu from KGVL (Gainesville, GA). Flew for an hour and
completed flight test card #1. The right wing is a little
heavy and it needs a little right rudder but she's a joy to
fly! It's been almost exactly 6 months since I received the
A/C, work has been in the way (check my signature). Thanks
to John Albury's tutelage and training I was well prepared
and the actual flight was simple. Thanks also to my wife,
Susan. She was my ground crew today and throughout the
build. She didn't pull a single rivet, but she wrote every
check when the time came. No pictures,cause I don't know the
process but Jetguy has some and will post. The journey now
Airworthiness certificate 2/22/15
743.6# EW 81.14'' CG
Wheel fairings, AP, lighting kit, ADSB, full interior prime,
Approx. 650 build hours
This is Gonna Get Deep! ...Pete Howell
Andi and I found ourselves with a suddenly free Friday
afternoon, so we decided to head north to check something
off of our trip list, the Soudan Mine near Tower, Minnesota.
N64LR Took to the Sky Today
I did my first flight today. It was mostly uneventful. We
picked the perfect rudder trim size to start and got neutral
yaw at cruise. I also have a heavy left wing, but it became
neutral after we burned about 8 gallons of fuel from the
left tank. I also have some gremlins to chase in the engine,
as one or two cylinders were way out of of range (EGT/CHT)
from the others at different times. I am confident that I
will be able to chase it down eventually. It also seems that
my prop is over-pitched (I bought a Catto designed for a 9
with the same HP engine as mine) as we could only get about
2550 at 3000'
Until today, I had never flown an RV. It was so exciting to
feel exactly how responsive they really are and how
effortlessly they bank. A very exciting experience. I am
really looking forward to my training and completing my
Phase I Testing.
I wanted to say a big thank you to all of you that provided
guidance through my build and for being generous with your
experience. Searching in VAF always provides good insight.
Low-pass over NASA Space Shuttle Landing Facility ...Manny
Welcome Andrew Darrow ...new RV-10 builder
I'd say this journey really started back last Christmas,
when my good neighbor offered to take my wife and I up in an
RV-10 to see Christmas lights. We had a great time at night,
and he even let me take the stick a little while and keep it
level. We flew around our house and other known close areas
and had a great time.
Fast forward to a few weeks ago. My neighbor invites us
again to a quick dinner jaunt to a city not too close. At
the time, I didn't realize he intended us to fly there, but
the hour plus automotive distance quickly passed up up in
the sky in a mere fifteen minutes. We had a great adventure,
and the late afternoon flight was just a part of it. But
this was definitely the trigger to opening the little doors
within me that I've kept closed ever since I was younger.
It's too much and at this point, it just won't happen the
voice inside my head had always. Why dream about it when it
just won't happen? Much easier to just close those thoughts
off and not think about them. But, our little jaunt had
opened those doors WIDE open.... Why, I COULD make this
happen. That could be ME!
They are sharing same hangar now ...Guilherme
The Sticking Valve Syndrome
I thought I would post this in the RV10 list since it
applies to the IO540 D4A5 typically installed in the RV10,
although feel free to move it.
About a week ago I noticed a slight miss/stumble during
climb out. This occurred twice, but not on every climb out.
It would only occur for a split second during the climb out,
but did not occur during the cruise portion of the flight.
Along with this symptom, during normal cruise I noticed a
slight vibration that felt similar to a prop just slightly
out of balance. You could see it in the glare shield. I
downloaded the EFIS data from both occurrences and examined
it looking for signs of something amiss. I knew the exact
time of the anomaly, but it did not show in the data either
because the sample rate was to coarse (1Hz) or it was not
enough of an event to show up in the EGT, CHT, FF, FP etc.
Today I have terrible news to report. Andy Hill, who has
built an RV-8 and RV-3 and posts under the username 'Andy
Hill' here, crashed while flying a Hawker Hunter jet in
England at an air show over the weekend. Official
reports are that seven people on the ground were killed.
Unofficial reports say that the total could go as high as
eleven. Andy is in the hospital in critical condition.
I ask that everyone who reads this site to please keep
all the people effected by this in their thoughts and
prayers. If I get any news on Andy I'll relay it.
8.21.15 0023 UTC
(click to enlarge)
My A-model lightspeeds have been 'sprinkling pepper' on
both mine and my paxs' heads for the last coupla years. Glue,
foam and stitching getting a little long in the tooth - around a
The control slides that contain the batteries are all sticky and
funkified. After each flight there are 15 seconds or so in
front of the mirror 'getting the specks off' the sides of your head
know). Never get 'em all. Headset salad photo above
taken yesterday on a bed of well broken-in Nomex flying gloves.
Dumped on the floor while cleaning the cockpit area. The
photog trainee in me saw a shot that told a story, maybe.
Lately, I've been cleaning more than flying, with the start of the new
college semester, etc. gnawing away at the reserves. Writing
that check seems to always put me in 'don't spend a penny mode' (DSAPM)
- I'm betting more than a few who have been there will nod in
agreement. The whole pile above is a hot mess, and for some
reason it really doesn't bother me one bit. Beautifully
flawed are the words that come to mind - a visual reminder of
past RV fun. I saw the Grand Canyon for the first (and only)
time in those. Learned formation flying. My Mom wore
There is probably a mouse-click solution for replacement pads, but I
haven't even looked to be honest. DSAPM. I think I can
get another decade out of 'em before turning them into bookends or
something for the
spare bedroom home office. Something to remind me of
friends met and adventures had. Good stuff...
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend.
Rick Aronow RV-12 First Flight
Video in slo mo Thu:
https://youtu.be/HfeCKW4klxQ. Some idiot (me) was
standing in the right place at the right time. I'm
pretty sure Rick will chime in the forums sometime soon.
Congrats Rick!!!! dr
Got my pink slip today ...Larry Ruth 6A
Final sign off by the FSDO today. Woo Hoo. A surprisingly
simple process. I bet the guy looked at the plane for all of
6 minutes. It was all about the paperwork for them.
Hope to do the first flight on Saturday with a Test pilot
(using the new second pilot program). I have LIVED at the
airport the last week getting it together. Very exciting.
Rainbow in Alaska ...Berchmans
Service Bulletin Lycoming Fuel Injection Diaphragm Fuel Pump
Hat Sighting ...Gary Platner (Hubbard
on the cap)
Posted as Courtesy for an ex-Vet / ex-LEO
[ed. Put here
because non-RV trades aren't for the forums.
Looking to trade for RV-14/14A kit....
8.20.15 0003 UTC
National Aviation Day with my Cousin and my RV6A ...Latintan
First Flight - Bob Lund's RV-8 ...Pat Hatch post
Bob Lund, retired AA triple7 driver, did the honors this
morning early in Vero Beach, FL. Photo ship was Pat Hatch's
RV-6. Only squawk was an elevator trim calibration
adjustment, everything else was perfect. CHTs were in the
mid 300's, oil temp with an Aero Classic HE Mod #1001599 oil
cooler mounted behind cylinder #4 peaked out at 203° in the
climb to 6,500' and settled in the mid 190's after level
off. Bob was running the engine hard so we expect these
temps to come down, especially the oil temp. Plus, in case
you didn't know, it's warm in FL right now!
Season 5 Episode 8. Tonopah NV
...Vlad trip update
Weird issue ...Dan Weyant
So I went out flying tonight to shoot a couple practice
approaches for currency and get familiar with my net GTN650.
I had two COM issues that are a bit confusing.
1- com two (headless Garmin com) was very staticky, and hard
to understand. Tried it on a couple frequencies with the
2 - com one (the 650) would occasionally have the transmit
icon flash when I wasn't pushing the transmit button. Also,
on some frequencies (122.9 and 122.25) when I transmit on
com1 it receives on com 2 (different frequency).
It was 100 degrees on the ground when I took off so that
might have had something to do with it?
Antenna's are about 3 feet apart (under wing on left and
right side of fuselage).
I'm using the Garmin audio panel (everything in the plane is
The scratchyness with the COM2 is intermittent. When I tried
it on the ground about 30 minutes after I landed it was
clear. Had the wife talk to me on a handheld.
Just did a quick test this morning (no engine run) and
everything seems to work fine, including not seeing the
transmit/receive issue on different frequencies.
I'll try the tests again this evening with the engine
And I did double check that I'm running the latest (3.70)
software from Garmin.
Any other ideas between now and then would be appreciated.
Travel Update ...Tom Lewis
We had a great sunset last evening here on Orcas Island.
Status Report ...Sam Bovington RV-8
Before I start final assembly of my fuselage I cleaned up
my tailwheel fork, bracket and spring. Built a simple paint
hood and put on some primer (Dupont Variprime) and some
white topcoat (single stage polyurethane Imron left over
from my last project).
8.19.15 0001 UTC
Hey, that's not a boat!
Seen the other day on Lake Lewisville, TX. dr photo.
Classic Aero Website issue resolved
Hey everyone, we realized yesterday that part of our
website (products section) didn't work. Turns out our host
changed something that broke it. After waiting almost a day
for them to fix it, we just re-wrote a few lines of code to
make it work a different way. Anyway, those pages are now
Classic Aero Designs
866.219.1087 541.926.7757 541.926.1373 fax
Chicago Skyline ...Jerry Morris
I pulled this SNAP from my GRT HXr. I had just a moment
to hit the SNAP function as we were turning back in to the
box during the Chicago Air and Water show this past weekend.
It looks busy on the screen, but might impressive out the
And before anyone hollers that we were too close to
anything, my altimeter is set to zero on the ground, and we
were in a waiver inside a TFR for an airshow.
Interesting Runway - Wolf Ridge ...DanH
Saturday morning I was cruising up the NC-TN border north
of Asheville, when I looked down to see this:
Leak Check.....Monkey Style
Randy 'Monkey' Richmond sent me this pic of a creative
way to do a leak check on a high wing tank in his shop.
It's not a baby pool, but an inlet cover for a DC-9 engine.
All that air exerts around 200 lbs of force when you try to
submerge it, so Randy rigged up a brace that extended up to
his folded hangar door.
Don't press that 'down' button....
Kitplanes "Best Of..." Vote For the Best Camping Photo
Third Mid-Atlantic Gathering of RV's - September 19th
From Larry Vetterman (re: Badlands event)
N199MJ Status Report ....less than two months work.
8.18.15 0001 UTC
The rest of the story ...boom3
Sticking Exhaust Valve - Diagnosis and Fix! ...Mike Bullock
First Ride for Margie ...David Domeier
USS Cod and SS William G. Mather tours, Cleveland, OH ...Dgamble
Status Report ...riseric
Trip to Boulder, CO redux ...bruceh
From the factory....
8.17.15 0001 UTC
Looking forward to seeing some Homecoming pics over the next few days!
Hope you had a good weekend.
What a great weekend! ...boom3
Bay of Fundy ...Jay 'Jaybird' Pratt
"...We returned home yesterday August 14, 2015 a month of
travel. We stayed with friends and camped. One night in a
We flew 3540 NM. Used 218 gallons of gas, costing
$968. And logged 24 hours flying. What a
machine! That old 'Borrowed Horse' <g>..."
Another First Real Passenger ...tailcreek_flyer
Loss of Power Experiences - Due to vapor lock?
Below is an explanation of the power losses we
experienced and our thought process in solving it. I’m
posting it here to accomplish the following objectives:
1. If the problem we’ve experienced is truly “vapor lock”,
then RV-12 owners and pilots need to be made aware of what
conditions might trigger vapor lock and to consider
operating the RV-12 as it was designed: Run the electric
fuel pump at all times.
2. Solicit thoughts on how confident we can be that the
problem we experienced is “vapor lock” and if not, what
might be the root cause of the loss of fuel pressure as the
apparent cause of power loss.
Lost power and fuel pressure on (4) occasions with
Travel Update ...Tom Lewis
LOE'15 Update ...Russ Daves
Panel Status Report ...Lucio
From the factory...
Cavanaugh Bay, ID video...Nickb145
Reno Air Race R³ Party
RV-12 800 hour milestone ...JBPILOT
8.14.15 0005 UTC
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe and RV-filled weekend. dr
Rear-facing Car Seat Update ...Rob Kochman RV-10
"...Now he's forward facing again and still loves it!..."
Van's Homecoming This Weekend
Will be held on August 14-16, 2015. It is hosted by
EAA Chapter 292 and Van's Aircraft at the Independence State
Scheduled Network Maintenance 11pm CT 8/15/15 - 8/16/15
My ISP will be performing network maintenance on
Saturday, August, 15th, 2015 beginning at 11pm CT; lasting
until Sunday, August, 16th, 2015 at 6am CT. This maintenance
is to upgrade ISP circuit connections to help improve
performance. Customers may see intermittent connection loss
during this window.
Travel Update ...Tom Lewis and friends
On Sunday morning, we continued NW to the San Juan
Islands. As we approached the Columbia River we found
conditions getting a little smokey.
SkyView Software Version 13.0.3 Now Available
"Flight plans that contain waypoints - particularly at
the beginning of the flight plan - with blank names can
cause SkyView to restart when that flight plan is drawn on
the map. This issue has not been observed with SkyView's own
internal flight planning. This issue is most likely to be
observed when using an ARINC navigator such as a GTN series.
Note that you can only experience this issue when the
external navigator's fight plan is being displayed on
Eagle's Nest Projects is coming to North Texas (KTKI)
McKinney HS students - Young Eagles Day at
Aero Country Airport (T31)
August - 2015
Eagle's Nest Projects has partnered with the McKinney
Aviation Academy (McKinney ISD) to bring an Eagle's Nest
Project to their airport-campus located at McKinney National
(Collin County) Airport (KTKI). McKinney ISD is committed to
providing the finest and most comprehensive high school
aviation program in the country; in the past 3-years
McKinney ISD has implemented a variety of aviation
curriculums at each of their high schools, purchased a
Redbird FD flight sim, and partnered with the City of
McKinney, McKinney National Airport, Monarch Air, and many
others to provide third and fourth year students
airport-based (KTKI) classroom and shop facilities.
While the McKinney Aviation Academy is receiving 110%
support from their School District, local businesses, the
City of McKinney, and surrounding communities, we need YOU,
the experienced RV builder, to make this Eagle's Nest
Project a 'home-run'. The typical shop/build class (air
conditioned) will be 4-hours long, two or three days per
week, and during school hours. If you fly to the airport you
can park right next to the classroom, and space permitting
(almost always) inside the Monarch Air hangar.
Please consider volunteering your time and talent to the
aviation inspired youth of North Texas... we need YOU! Short
notice I know, but you're invited to a 'advisory meeting'
being held this Monday 1:00-2:30 at the KTKI Monarch Air
facility. If you want to volunteer or just want to learn
more, please contact me by email or phone... or just show up
at the meeting.
Edit: Mr. Brent Crabe, RV-8 driver and current RV-14A
builder from Conroe, TX, donated his 'still in the crate'
RV-12 Empennage/Tail Kit to get the project started. Thank
Have a great day!
R. E. "Ernie" Butcher
Mothership Hobbs Meter
8.13.15 0012 UTC
First REAL passenger! ...Mike Hillger
My co-investor got her first ride this
morning! She loved it and even took the stick for a while!
Planning our first trip this weekend!
Alvord Desert Pictures ...apkp777
Just got back from Alvord Desert. Wow, what a spectacular
place. Certainly one of the best trips so far in my RV.
Changing a 7A to a 7 - the paperwork
Status Report ...Chattin35
Panel Upgrade ...multiple photos from Skid
Step Repair Update ...RVG8tor
From the mothership...
8.12.15 0004 UTC
Travel Update ...Tom Lewis
No flying through Arches for us. We did see a video for
sale of a guy flying through the arches before it was
On Sat, we loaded up our RV7a and flew north out of Moab. We
had a lot of clouds and some mountain obscurations so we
were staying close to valleys and IFR, following roads for
the first portion.
Tear in Dimple hole - what to do?
While dimpling the rear spar on the right elevator for my
RV10 with my pneumatic squeezer, I justtt missed one of the
holes and tore a little flap of material out of the side of
Options for a higher breakout force on tail wheel?
"......On Saturday when doing a cross wind landing with a
lot of gusts to 25 knots with an average of 45 to 60 degs
off the run way heading I could keep it straight until I
slowed down and let my tail down. As soon as the tail
touched the plane immediately weather vaned into the wind
and off the run way and into the Alf alpha on the side of
the runway. (no damage)
I know my cross wind component was around 20 knots or maybe
even more with the gusts. But the little wheel felt to me as
well as my girl friend riding shot gun in the back that it
had unlocked as soon as it started taking a load. I had full
rudder and then got some brake on it as well but there was
no changing its course. The skids marks are still there from
the braking and the tire locking and letting go on the
pavement, through the gravel and into the alp alpha....."
Status Report ...Dave Grimmer RV-8
Status Report ...Dave Leonard RV-10
Waiting for longer throttle cable and looking for a
trailer to make the big move. Wings need bottom skins and
tips, then we'll put it all together.
It's Calendar Time ...Ken Scott at Van's wants your
(from the factory FB page)
is over. Hundreds of RV builders have polished up their
airplanes and no doubt thousands of photos were taken.
And you know that as night follows day, Oshkosh is followed
Fifteen lucky RV builders/pilots will receive immortality,
lasting fame, lifetime bragging rights and even a few
It could be you… so let’s see those photos.
We need shots of all kinds of RVs, from RV-3 through RV-14.
Flying shots are preferable, but we will consider ground
shots if they “tell a story.”
Focus and clarity are essential. Really sharp focus. Shutter
speeds should be slow enough that props are at least blurred
in motion (full prop discs look best). Fully stopped props,
or curved props (often the result of frozen video frames)
don’t look right.
File size must be big enough to reproduce at calendar size –
two megs at least. Most digital cameras set to “best
resolution” will produce a useable image. We can always
reduce files if they are too big, but we can’t easily make
Aircraft should be fully framed, with enough space around
them to allow cropping to fit the page size and aspect ratio
of the calendar page. Photos with some part of the airplane
crowded against the edge of the frame are difficult to use.
A half wingspan all around is a rough guide. Conversely, the
airplane has to be close enough to avoid the “little
airplane way off in the big sky” syndrome. Vertically framed
photos are hard to come by and increase your chances of
being chosen for the coveted cover spot.
As large files may be difficult to e-mail, we will accept
reduced file “teasers” via email to. Please indicate the
maximum file size available.
We will need basic data: aircraft builder’s name, pilot’s
name, photographer’s name, place and approximate date the
photo was taken and any other interesting tidbit that might
contribute to the caption.
We need photos by September 21, 2015. Send them via email to
kens 'at' vansaircraft 'dot' com
We know there are some excellent photographers out there and
we’re looking forward to submissions!
Panel Powered Up! ...Blain
Encouraging to see the panel lit up. Now if I could just
get them to communicate with each other. Actually just the
AFS encoder and the GTX aren't on speaking terms.
8.11.15 0012 UTC
Fresh off Stein's Bench
(click to enlarge)
"Here's an RV-10 panel we shipped the week of OSH. It's
for a VAF member (John W.) and is full IFR with the Garmin
G3X Touchscreen system in it along with the GRT mini EFIS
for backup and PS Engineering audio panel and TruTrak
autopilot. Also of note is the full EFII system."
RV-10 Bucket List Trip July/August 2015 ...dmaib
Mary (aka Rosie the Riveter) and I have wanted to take
this trip since retiring back in 2008. However, various
family and life issues have intervened until this year. We
thought July and August would be a great time to leave the
Florida summertime steam bath and head for drier climes. We
departed New Smyrna Beach early on the morning of July 12.
Touched down again in New Smyrna Beach on August 5th, 5554
nautical miles and 39.8 flight hours later. Our plan was to
be away for a month, but we were forced to cut the trip a
week short when we got word that Mary's mother had fallen
and broken her hip. We planned to visit friends and family,
and visit places we had never been on this trip.
Prop went around about 1,500,000 times yesterday! ...Scott
Yesterday was my biggest flying day ever. I put over 10
hours on the -10.
It started with a 5am wake up, filled the tanks, to take my
parents from Salt Lake to Kellogg, ID to pick up their new
truck. It was just over 3 hours on the Hobb up there, filled
the tanks, and a little shorter back as I went around a
storm that took me over McCall, ID with a slight tailwind.
On the way up I spotted some smoke on the side of the
mountain in Idaho and went to take a look. There was one
tree that was completely burned up and smoldering from a
lightning strike. I hit the GPS button to get the
coordinates and called up Boise FSS and reported. When I
landed about an hour later in Kellogg there were a few
people with their helicopter just waiting to be deployed to
the next fire. I told the pilot about the smoke and he
thanked me for calling it in. He thought someone would
definitely go check it out. We saw many valleys filled with
8A Rudder Jam
Defeated by ribbed conduit installation
Badlands Fly-In Update ...Larry Vetterman
RV departures from OSH '15
8/10 0012 UTC
Daddy Daughter Date
Lit up for the 1st time
Restart after 9 months
VAF Logo and New Arrival Sighting
Bad looking driven rivet - maybe press on
From the Factory FB Page
8/7 0046 UTC
One of the unintended consequences of having a hangar
big enough to have a couple of renters is the chance that they
might have a more twisted sense of comedy than yourself.
Rob Reece (RV-8 fuse) hung this on the wall at the Van Cave
awhile back in his corner. A 'white elephant' prize
perfectly placed in its element. An airbrush painting,
with LEDs, crooked, of Marilyn and Elvis taking a joy
ride. Hung with a coat hanger (on the front of the picture no
less). VAF cap hung on the side with pride. My kind of art.
And it even blinks... Stop by 'The Cave' sometime for a private
viewing. Lines are shorter than you might think.
Wishing you and yours a happy, safe, RV-filled and air conditioned
RV7 #74466 ...welcome
Status Report: Canopy Riveted ...ackselle pics
As echoed by many in this forum, the slider canopy on a 7
or 9 is one of the toughest sections of the build. Many
methods, lots of "fixes", a plethora of great ideas!.
Well,, thanks to the help of my good friend Bill Funk, some
ideas from Matt Burch's builder blog, and some encouragement
when I saw David Boeshaar's entry in the RV-9/9A section
(Canopy Skirts)..... my canopy is ready to store until final
Need Help w/Your Avionics?
Petit Jean Registration Open
RV Travel Update ...Tom Lewis
AFS Quick Panel PIREP ...ackselle
Flew the RV-14! ...Iron teaser
Long Distance Moves
8/6 0006 UTC
Outside my Hangar ...Jeff Bertsch RV-4
The other day I was working in my hangar and noticed the
strong smell of Jet fuel. I went outside and this is what
was parked just outside my hangar. And note the plane
in the background too. Both owned by the Collings
Foundation and based here at EFD in Houston.
Favor - RV-7A near Edison, NJ
I have been planning to keep lurking here till the day I
am ready to order the RV-7A kit from Vans. However, as
suggested by many, it would be great to 'feel' the aircraft
before making the final decision.
This, I reckon, would be easier in the US compared to
Germany where I am based. I would be on a week holiday in
Edison, NJ during mid-September. If someone nearby could
offer to showoff their craft and aircraft
, I would be very thankful.
Of course, I would like to visit the facilities in Aurora,
but that won't happen on this trip.
From the factory FB page ...[ed.
Ken, I enjoyed what you wrote about Mr. Heino. dr]
RV-10 Ready for its Closeup ...Andy Turner
As is often said, they are never done, but with one year
and 115 hours, I'll post a photo here. Fresh out of the
Stainless steel flap tape ...schristo
It's all been done before
Stainless steel flap tape! Paint wear had begun to
become aluminum wear from the flap wing gap seal.
Although I have a strip of UHMW tape under the gap seal it
has not kept scuffs from developing. This setup worked fine
for the first 500 hours or so but has not prevented wear
since then. Here are a few shots of the wear along
with finished fix using 3" tape from McMaster Carr.
Status Update ...David Paule -3B
Finished the new left aileron. I tracked the hours spent
on this one. It took about 42.6 hours of my time and perhaps
another 1.4 of a friend's who helped me buck the spar top
flange rivets. I'd previously done that myself, using an
L-shaped bucking bar, a shop light dropped inside the
aileron and an inspection mirror. But that's how I damaged
it, so this time I got help.
Working on the flaps now. The stiffeners are riveted on. I
had a moment of considerable dismay when the retaining
spring on the rivet gun unscrewed, the back-rivet set
dropped on the floor and the spring propelled the plastic
pusher to some mysterious place where it has not been found.
You can read about it in this thread, which discusses the
effect and its ramifications.
I found that a 7/16" box end wrench, pressed down around the
rivet, makes a satisfactory substitute if you should find
yourself in that position one day. Just put the end of the
back-rivet set in the center of the box end and press the
box end down on the parts, holding them and the set
securely. It takes both hands but works okay.
I spent the evening figuring out where to put the doubler on
the spars. If you do a search for flaps you'll eventually
come across a recommendation that the inboard rib be moved
inboard 7/8", and that the top flange of the spar be 49.5"
long. The 49.5" comes from:
48" from the plans + 7/8" extra + 5/8" = 49.5".
The 5/8" is the flange width of the FL-303 rib and please be
careful about where you're measuring, because the plans show
48" to the outboard side of the FL-303 rib, and doesn't
actually mention the dimension to the inboard side of the
I meant to follow the 7/8" advice and in fact confirmed it
with David Howe, but somehow on my flaps I made it an even
1" instead, since that's where I put the inboard set of
stiffeners. So on my plane, unless I can shave a bit from
the FL-303 flange (unlikely) I'll use the 1" dimension
The bottom flange of the flap spar is limited by the spar's
length as received, 51". The plans say that it should be 51
3/8", I think, but the part itself is only 51".
Travel Update ...Tom Lewis
Enter Kitplanes "Best Of....." Photo Contest! ...Kitplanes
your next chance at a $25 gift certificate from Aircraft
Next Best of... "Camping with your homebuilt"
People do a lot of things with their homebuilts - and one of
them is to load them up and head for the hills - or the
forests, or the beach! Let's see your best picture of your
homebuilt on a camping trip - we know you've all been to
some exotic locations to meet with friends, fish, or just
hang out in the great outdoors with a favorite book.
Sanded, filled, epoxy wiped---now need some advice
"...The problem is that there are now small ridges/waves
in the epoxy surface. Perhaps I'm a bad squeegee-er or maybe
this is to be expected. The ridges are hard to photograph,
but they look like linear streaks in the surface---a fatter
version of the lines left by a paint brush..."
8/5 0035 UTC
If you need me to help you mow your yard or move
or anything like that in the next week, good luck with that.
Here is the forecast for the next seven days in the Dallas-Fort
Worth area. 108°F next Monday if you believe the weather dudes.
I plan on laying underneath an air-conditioning vent in my
birthday suit covered in wet rags. Now THERE'S a calendar shot!
'Flash' gets a modeling gig...(click
A few weeks ago I was asked by a
hangar neighbor if one of their business contacts could use
my airplane in a photo shoot. Why not? My
neighbor deals in classic cars (myrod.com)
and they were going to use one of theirs, then the thought
came to include an airplane in there somewhere.
Enter the idiot next door...and I
was happy to help.
Anywho, they sent me the test
picture above, which I thought I would share (with
permission). I'm always hunting for splash images to
use up here on top, and this one seemed like a winner. Their
www.saddlebackleather.com if you're looking to wrap
pretty much anything in leather (smartphone, laptop, rifle,
backpack, etc). I used to have a little leather sleeve
my smartphone would slide into that Susie bought off Etsy,
but the newer 6plus phone is too big. Turns out they
RV-8 w/B-17 ...Ron Townson
Time to get off the fence ...Ian Adams
I have been on the fence about buying an RV for a couple
of years, and the time has finally come. After three trips
to OSH, countless hours of lurking upon this forum, and
numerous build log observations; I have realized that I am
not endowed with time or space or motivation to build. I am
left with the decision of what to buy. I have decided on
these necessities: O(or IO)-360 and a constant speed prop. I
would like a -7 or a -7a, due to child and spousal
maintenance being best served by non-tandem seating. That
being said, the real question is -7 or -7A?
I fly out of Laramie, WY at 7200 feet. We frequently (by
which I mean pretty much any time past 6am) have high
density altitudes and a high probability of strong, gusty
winds. I have a fair number of flight hours (3500 ish), but
not a lot of tailwheel time (I just got my endorsement from
Greg Koontz- in conjunction with basic aerobatic training).
Part of me thinks the location and my experience favor a
-7A, and part of me thinks "just get a taildragger and
commence to learning."
So, my questions to the good and qualified folks here on the
VAF forums: What are your experiences with flying your
tailwheel RV's? Have you ever felt limited? Have you ever
wished for the crosswind capabilities of a tricycle gear?
Sucker for a Sunset ...Pete Howell pictures
2016 OSH Update ...Rosie
Tip- torque tool for control surface jam nuts
SkyView Software 13.0 Released
Status Report ...Bluelabel (many pictures)
Year is about 60% over, and 946 donations have been sent in as of
today. Currently there are 20,969 forum accounts - one way to
look at it (4.5%). Another is from the ~10,000 daily visitors
(9.4%). Either way, thank you to those who help keep this site
8/4 0011 UTC
RV-12 BullSession at Bremerton National ...Tony T.
On Saturday, August 22, there will be an annual RV-12
BullSession held at Bremerton National Airport (KPWT).
424JD RV-7 Build Photos ...Jeremy
When I was building my plane, I found build photos
extremely useful. I recently put them all in a dropbox
folder to share with a buddy building an RV-8 so I figured
why not make them available to everyone else. There are lots
of them and they are not organized (sorry) but hopefully
someone will find them useful.
Lapse Construction Videos ...gfb
And here is July. Firewall, bulkheads that never end, and
finally starting on the rear fuse assembly. Two camera
views this time!
Postcard sent home from the factory ...L.Hose
Feeling an urge it does not fully understand, the
Mountain Banshee returns to the ancestral home of its
species and hides among them for the night. The flock
appears to be somewhat disturbed at the strange wild
creature in their midst....
Polishing Thoughts: Bob Collins 7A
If I were to do it again, I would have taken Jed
Gregerson's advice and painted the underside of the plane.
At Oshkosh this year, a gentleman saw me land on 36L, and
noticed how the underside lit up purple first and then lit
up yellow as I passed over the dots. He finally made his way
to homebuilt camping at which time he said, "I've been
looking all over Oshkosh for this plane."
So, bottom line: If you want to spend hours polishing for a
few minutes of delight at Oshkosh, polish away.
To answer your question: I've used both. I wouldn't use the
purple polish anywhere without using the green stuff first.
I don't know why, exactly, but it comes out better.
The underside, especially the wings, take a real licking
where polish is concerned. Overflow from the fuel tanks runs
down there. Occasionally a dribble from spraying leading
edges when removing bugs gets down in there. Even smush from
the wheels gets kicked up in there. so you get water spots
and some corrosion.
So, once a year, you're going to want to compound it with
Mystery- What is it?
Was cleaning out the plane over the weekend when I found
this on the floor on the pilot side.
New RV-8A owner ...Wade
After looking for sometime for an RV, I decided on the
RV8A and found what I was looking for in Jackson, CA. Left
home Thursday and flew commercial to Sacramento where the
owner/builder picked me up. He had the airplane opened up
and together we finished the inspection and got her put back
together on Friday evening. He flew me to a neighboring
airport on Saturday to meet a instructor and get some
transition training. I was amazed at the performance and how
nimble and responsive the plane was and needless to say I
had the RV grin all day. I left in N9818D after lunch for my
journey home stopping in Page AZ for fuel after dodging rain
and some storms along my first leg, sometimes having to slow
down due to turbulence. Then left Page and made it to
Elkhart, KS. The trip was a little over 1000 miles with a
fuel burn that turned out to be almost 23 MPG (amazing) at
an altitude of 11,500 to 13,500.
This forum has been a big help to me as I have been trying
to decide what I wanted. Now I understand when folks on here
talk about performance and economy. After feeding a Twin
Comanche, I almost feel guilty.
My thanks to Mark, the owner/builder, and Stan for being
brave enough to give me some training. Flying is fun again..
you for helping keep this site online.
Year is about 60% over, and 946 donations have been sent
in as of today. Currently there are 20,969 forum
accounts - one way to look at it (4.5%).
8/3 0050 UTC
Status Shot ...Saber25
NASA report ...C. Taylor -8
We departed OSH IFR from Runway 27 on Wednesday 22 July.
We were cleared to 3000' and directed to contact Milwaukee
Departure. Just as we were passed to Milwaukee departure and
passing 1800' guess what! Two aircraft at the same altitude,
one a piper dead ahead, and a second slightly to our right
on the FISK arrival. A brisk turn to the left maintained our
separation at about 300 from the second aircraft, a single
engine Piper. Neither aircraft appeared to see or take note
of us. (Note: no flames please - I understand that IFR
aircraft in VMC are responsible for visual separation, which
we accomplished.) The purpose of this post is to point out
the possible conflict between VFR aircraft under positive
control of the FISK arrival controllers with IFR aircraft
under positive control of OSH Tower/Milwaukee Departure. The
FISK and Milwaukee Departure controllers are not talking to
each other. A NASA report has been filed recommending that
IFR aircraft maintain 1300' until clear of the FISK arrival.
Oshkosh Ripon Arrival Video (15 minutes) ...and other pics.
to the forum ...Jim Audette
Hey Guy's... I've been lurking for a while and finally
decided to post. I'm a relatively new RV owner... About a
year ago I sold my Maule and bought a 1977 V35B. Then my
father in law decided he wanted to get back into flying. So
we bought the a RV-7A and have enjoyed it immensely! I
mostly fly my V35B but am gradually starting to fly the RV
more and my father in law is flying it less... I've put
about 20 hours on it and LOVE the performance!
RV-10 Blake Gambsky N-----
Well I guess it's my turn to begin posting on the forum.
My name is Blake Gambsky, I'm an Embry-Riddle student down
in Daytona Beach, FL. Since I was young I had a passion for
flight, and of course I wanted my own plane. Well my friend
Mary let me ride in her RV-10 after I got my Private Pilot
license at 17. After that flight, and learning that her and
her husband built the aircraft, my heart was set on it.
Now I'm 20 years old, a junior in the Aeronautical Science
degree program at ERAU studying to become a professional
pilot. And on top of all of this, I'm working on my own
This weekends flyin @ KOWK Central Maine ...Dvalcik pics and
Kansas to Texas and Back in One Day ...Kurt and Gregg
...[ed. Sorry I missed you Kurt!
Sounds like you had a fun day! dr]
Ground Shots ...Frank
Different Landscape in August ...Vlad